Sam Abuelsamid  0:00  
Coming up on episode 240 of wheel bearings we've got the Lucid Air the Nissan Aria, Honda passport, Volvo XC60, recharge the loader select Tre, still ANSYS is new Hurrican engine, Mazda CX 50, and a whole bunch of questions

this is episode 240 of wheel bearings. I'm Sam Abuelsamid from guidehouse insights.

Roberto Baldwin  0:29  
And I am Roberto Baldwin from wired.

Sam Abuelsamid  0:32  
And Nicole is in transit right now from an airplane to a hotel in Encinitas. And she will be joining us, hopefully in progress sometime sometime before we're finished saying all the stuff that we're going to say

Roberto Baldwin  0:49  
I hope just slides in with like breaking news. I just didn't guys.

Sam Abuelsamid  0:55  
Maybe she'll spill some embargoed information about the Toyota Bz 4x, which I drove yesterday, that we'll get we'll be talking more about that. Then probably two weeks, two weeks from now. We've got we've got a whole bunch of embargoed drive impressions coming up. Like right now, this this past two weeks, it seems like at least a dozen automakers were doing various drive programs all on top of each other. And you know, all the various embargo dates.

Roberto Baldwin  1:30  
The I've been to. Oh, I should talk about the area to this week. Yeah, I went to Okay. I should write down things I'm going to talk about. But yeah, it's been a it's been a crazy past few weeks. And I still got two more weeks I've been saying travel with embargoed cars and, and events and drives. And I think, you know, the second the Omicron, omicron, omicron. Whatever. Yes. Oh, my God. He paused

Sam Abuelsamid  1:55  
for a couple of months during Omicron. And now they're, they're trying to get everything in before the end of the quarter.

Roberto Baldwin  2:01  
Yeah, they're just packing everything in. So there's that during any week, there's up to like five programs, and you're just like, I can't, and everyone's like, Hey, can you go to my program? Can you go to my party? I'm like, I can't I can't go to every program. Yeah, I'm sorry. I spread them out to pass

Sam Abuelsamid  2:15  
on a couple of them as well. Please, please spread them out.

Roberto Baldwin  2:18  
Yeah. May June are just right, for there's just like one or two programs there. Throw some over there. Yeah, toss a couple

Sam Abuelsamid  2:27  
in there. Well, there's more going to be more stuff coming in May in June to the F 150. Lightning, we're going to get to drive in first week of May. And then after that the Cadillac lyric and something's happening in June. Lyric is probably going to be either later in June or early July. They said early summer. They started production last week, officially. Yeah. Nice. And so sometime, late spring, early summer, they'll do the drive. But right now we've got stuff we can talk about. I can't talk about those yet, because they haven't happened. But what did you drive?

Roberto Baldwin  3:02  
So? So it's been a I feel like it's been a few weeks since I've been on the podcast? Because I think I was out one week. And then there was the crazy weird pieces episode. Yeah. And then there was a week of like, cuz everyone was out. So. So I've driven a bunch of cars, but I'm going to talk about two and one of them is the Lucid Air dream edition performance. This is the 1111 horsepower. Insane, Lucid Air. It is it is it is a very nice car. I drove around the Bay Area had it for a week or so I believe. And yeah, it's it's really nice inside it's comfortable. I know that there was this desire to build a vehicle that rivals the luxury vehicles of Germany. They were just going right after the German sedan that's thing they're taking aim at BMW, Mercedes, and Audi. And I think for the most part and their own way I think they've accomplished that I think they're the I think when you look at like say the US which is probably its closest competitor and E Qs has a lot more bells and whistles that are going on in the vehicle as you while you're in there. Well has an eye for screen. Yeah, and it has the hyper screen I think the lucid is it's a you know, focusing on Germany but taking a lot of pages out of the Swedish design philosophy sort of lessons more. There are if you get into the the infotainment system, there's a lot of things you can adjust with that car, there's just a ton of settings. It's you know, so you're not like sort of, you know, kept from the vehicle. You're still a lot you can do but on the surface. It's very nice. It's very clean. But it's very, very fast.

Sam Abuelsamid  5:03  
I can I can attest to that. Yeah. So just to drive one briefly as well.

Roberto Baldwin  5:08  
So just like tapping on the accelerator, just like wow. And so if you don't get the 1111 horsepower until you put it in sprint mode, and then you put it in Launch Control. The problem is, is that and I think we've seen this recently with someone doing that on a Tesla on a hill, because they're idiots. And those people shouldn't be allowed to drive ever. And then all the people staying around just like letting that happen. Like no one said, Hey, maybe don't. So the issue with that is trying to find a location in order to test that. So there's a place there's a few places near my house where I can that I have to wait till night. So I ended up finally testing it at night, on a slight uphill. So it was still Oh, yeah, it was it was sort of ridiculous. And a little bear pops up a little blue bear because they you know, now to California. And so that was I really

Sam Abuelsamid  6:02  
enjoyed that. That is their Easter egg that they have kind of all over the car. Yeah, the little bear little bears.

Roberto Baldwin  6:08  
Yeah. So it's it's, you know, it's it's a, it's a it's a great car, lucid, and I think lucid and rivian were the two companies that I really see, it really seemed like they were going to make it they were going to have all the automated auto startup, automotive startups started, I've been running around all day, those were the two that I thought would would produce something, have something out and then have it available for purchase. And they both done that, of course, rivian is hitting problems with supply issues, and you're everyone's having the supply issues. So we'll see what happens. It seems kind of unfair, that these two companies that seem to be doing everything, mostly everything correctly, are now being sort of punished. Or having these difficulties because of this very weird situation where even you know, votes, everyone's having problems with this. But when you're a small company, you're making one car, you can't like sort of spread out the hurt different vehicles, you're just sort of hurt. So what we'll see So, yeah, so we drove it around, you know, the the range edition has 520 miles of range, which I mean, Tesla for years has been sort of the king of range. And now lucid comes along. Now. That's cool. I mean, it helps that like most of the lucid engineers are former Tesla engineers and gentlemen, who then Peter, including their CEO, was the man who made the Model S work. Yeah, utterly. So the the performance edition has a range of 471 miles, I had the 21 inch wheels, so it had a range of 450 ish. And then, during my range run, I had a little bit north of 400 miles. So I didn't quite hit the 451. Again, though, that the problem is is is that I got a little there's backroads on my 100 mile loop that I used for EVs, and they kind of you know, when a little fast in the backgrounds, which you know, it's not the car, but again, it you know, it's being tested and I just because you know, they're very efficient, but it's also got a 118 kilowatt hour battery, where Tesla's is 100 kilowatts, kilowatt hours. So, you know, so they they, yes, it has more range than Tesla, but it also has a larger battery. But you know, they work really hard. They've been working really hard over there to, to fix their efficiency. And if you don't have 100, and like $69,000 for the Dream edition, don't worry, because they it's sold out. Be eventually they will have the pure edition, which is Hold on, I'm going to find the price. I believe it's 78 and change. Yeah. $78,000 and it has 406 miles of range. So still a lot of range. Under $100,000 for a a competitor to the luxury market. Far more luxurious than say a Model S I think I called the Model S luxury adjacent. Yeah.

Sam Abuelsamid  9:08  
Yeah, yeah. Last week, as we record this, yeah, it was last week. No, the week before. I was, I was invited to interview Peter Rawlinson, the CEO of lucid, and he's also the CTO and and the the aforementioned former chief engineer of the Model S on stage at South by Southwest and one of the topics we talked about was was efficiency and their their real focus on efficiency in this thing. And the he did mention he did say he did tell me that the the pure will be going into production this fall. So it'll be available before the end of this year. But you were talking about you know, supply chain problems, you know, and rivian having difficulty building cars and delivering are building trucks and delivering them. And Peter said, you know the same thing, you know, there's a few, a few key components that they're having a hard time getting enough of, to, to, to ramp up their production, which is a real challenge. And because they are a smaller automaker, when, when you've got, you know, automakers, they're buying parts for hundreds of 1000s or millions of vehicles, and you're looking to buy parts for 1000s to 10s of 1000s of vehicles a year, you're going to the the company that is buying parts for millions is going to get priority, they're going to be first in line for those parts. And so, you know, they've been working to, in some cases, resource some of those parts so they can get their production ramped up. They think they've delivered about 500 errors so far. And they're looking to get that up, you know, into, eventually to about 30,000 A year from their current production capacity, and at their factory in Arizona.

Sam Abuelsamid  11:13  
I have a question for you though. Before before I did the interview, I had the opportunity to take take an error dream edition performance out for about an hour or so for a drive. It was my I had first seen this thing back in November 2016. When Peter and dirt Jenkins their head of design, were at the LA Auto Show, they weren't publicly displaying anything, but they were doing some background briefings. And so we spent about an hour and a half back then going through all all the things that we're doing. And

Sam Abuelsamid  11:44  
you know, then they did a VR walk design walk around. And then we went down in the garage and saw the first prototype that they had down there. And what one of the things that was interesting about this design is that you mentioned you're targeting Mercedes, on the outside, this thing has about the physical footprint of a Mercedes E Class. But on the inside, it has the passenger volume of an S class, which is a considerably larger car. And one of the things I noticed getting into this one, the especially into the driver's seat, the front pillars are really sloped back. You know, there's a very aggressive slope on those. And I had to duck quite a bit to get my head under there and get into the car. And you're you're several inches taller than I am. How was it for you getting in and out of this thing?

Roberto Baldwin  12:46  
Um, I don't remember any real issues getting in and out of it. Actually, I mean, I just I'm used to driving. I mean, I have a B, I drive a BRC? Yeah, so I'm just I'm used to just like taking this very large body and squishing it down really small. Yeah, I've been getting into something. So I don't I don't remember any, like hitting my head or anything. I do know that even with, with the seats set for me at six foot three, I could get in the backseat and still have lots of room. And that rear door opens at a 90 degree angle. So it's super easy to get in and out of that. That rear seats. So if you you know, you're you're being driven around. It's it's there's a lot of room back there. And it's way easy to get in.

Sam Abuelsamid  13:26  
Yeah, no, absolutely. That that that is very true. Yeah, I mean, this, this is a stunning looking car. And when you get in it, it feels like a luxury car. It doesn't feel ostentatious. But it feels very, very premium, much more so than any test lever has. Oh, yeah,

Roberto Baldwin  13:45  
it's very, it's classy. Yeah, it's very classy. Yeah, everything about it just feels very nice. It doesn't feel minimalistic for the, for the sake of like saving money. It feels this feels more like this is a design. This is a design decision for the entire car. And but you're still going to have a lot of information if you need it. And if you're the kind of person who wants to, like, adjust every single tiny, teeny tiny thing on the car, you can. And I like

Sam Abuelsamid  14:13  
that they have, you know, tried to find a good balance between touch controls and physical controls. So you know, there's a row of switches, there's that screen in the center console. So you got the the large screen across the top of the dash, there's actually three displays in there. You know, that spans from the A pillar on the driver's side over across the middle of the instrument across the instrument across the middle of the dashboard. And then down below in the center stack. There's another touchscreen down there, which you can actually tap and if you think you showed it in your in your video, it actually will pull up into the dashboard so it's out of the way if you're not using it. But above that just below the vents there rove switches for the climate control. So you know, that's always there. You don't have to mess around with digging through menus to find your climate controls. They're always accessible.

Roberto Baldwin  15:12  
The climate control buttons to me and volume buttons are the things that I feel like should continue to be physical buttons, because I think people are like, Well, I just send it to like this temperature. I'm like, I'm always adjusting the class. I'm always adjusting the audio, the you know how loud things are. And so yeah, those those having those available as as actual physical buttons, I can just reach over and use them instead of like, oh, let me use my finger and do this. And, yeah, it's a much nicer experience as far as I'm concerned. Yeah.

Sam Abuelsamid  15:44  
Alright. So what else did you drive?

Roberto Baldwin  15:48  
I went all the way to Spain, a Spania. And I drove the Nissan ARIA on a track.

Sam Abuelsamid  15:55  
So you went to Spain to drive a new Japanese Evie.

Roberto Baldwin  15:58  
I went to Spain to drive a Japanese Evie on a track not on a road. These are pre production vehicles. I'm sure there's a lot of reasons why it happened in Spain. It doesn't it doesn't really matter. I drove the Nissan are on a track in Spain what they did, it wasn't like they didn't have to track so it's, you know, this vehicle is not a it's it's not a model why performance. Nissan was very sad. This is not a missile. This is not a you know, this is a a nice SUV. And I'm going to tell you a mainstream, yes, it is really nice inside that car. I think they they took a lot of time and care to make sure that it differentiates itself from the rest of that sort of market as a midsize SUV. With an interior that's really really nice. They have this, this little lantern, they have a lot of there's like, almost like crosshatch like little triangles that are integrated into the design. And they are inspired by Japanese lanterns. In fact, they're, like in the footwell in the middle is like a little you know, as a square with that sort of triangle design that tight triangle design. It looks like a little lantern in the car. And so there's all these like, it's very Yeah, I I was really impressed. Because for the most part Nissan interiors are sort of like, well, there it is. That's what it is, you know, and I think they really, when it when it comes to that they really said, You know what, we need to have something because they're not, I hate saying people are late to the Eevee world. Because it's again, it's not a sprint, it's a marathon, everyone's gonna have an Eevee. And right now we're,

Sam Abuelsamid  17:40  
arguably Nissan was first. Yeah, they had the least. And then they just let him Evie.

Roberto Baldwin  17:45  
Yeah, they had the number one selling Evie in the world for a very long time. And then they didn't make anything else.

Sam Abuelsamid  17:52  
At least nothing that they brought to North America. Exactly.

Roberto Baldwin  17:55  
So we so we so it's, it's actually a really nice car. I drove it around the track, it drives well, it's you know, it's hard to like really judge how well it does. You know, when you're on a tract, it's like, here's some cones to recreate what it's like to drive in a city. Here's a cone, like, you know, to here's a chicane, here's, here's what a what a roundabout would be like, there's like, okay, so I drove it, uh, around this track, a ton of times, it handles pretty well. They have, they didn't have an aria with their new e force with an F, the F has been replaced by a four D force. They're all wheel drive system. They did let us drive a Nissan LEAF that had this system. And it was interesting, because the way this system works is not everyone has, at this point, I want to have some sort of all wheel drive system. But this one like it, the way it balances out the car was very interesting. Like there's not a lot of diving when you when you when you slow down, as you would have in a regular all wheel drive vehicle. It's it's, it's, it's something that you almost have to

Sam Abuelsamid  19:05  
adjusting the torque on the front and rear motors. Yeah. Well, we transfer

Roberto Baldwin  19:09  
Yeah. And it's the same motors on the front and the back. So typically, you have a much more powerful motor on the back and then a less powerful motor on the front. They're using they're gonna use the same size, the same power motors, both front and back on the vehicle, which is interesting and right. Yeah, it'd be a 5050 You know, power balance, and you're like, oh, okay, and so it's, it's very interesting. It'll be interesting to see what it's like on the actual Aria and it was like on the road, but it was like it was like a really good appetizer of what's to come from them and I i am i went over there not knowing what to expect. I mean, I know a lot of people really love the Nissan LEAF, Nissan LEAFs a good car, I just find it incredibly boring. And I think that they, they, I don't know, I don't think they were listening to me, but I think they might have known that they need Something a little something extra to sort of break out of that mold the break out of the leaf and be and have something that people are going to look at and be like, Oh, maybe I should get a Nissan Evie. And I think they're they're, they're they're definitely on the right on the right track. So So kudos

Sam Abuelsamid  20:16  
to Nissan for that. Good. I'm looking forward to driving it later this year. It it's launching in Japan this summer, and then going on sale in North America in the fall. So hopefully by the end of the year, will those will be available to customers here in the US?

Roberto Baldwin  20:34  
Yeah, they told me that two wheel drive I'm sorry, not? Yeah, two wheel drive. two wheel drive version will be available in early fall. And then the fourth all drives version would be Vail available in late fall.

Sam Abuelsamid  20:47  
Okay. And I think that they're launching only with the extended range battery, which is going to be somewhere around 300 mile range. Yeah. And then they'll they'll launch the standard range version, which is going to be bound to 30 to 40 miles, sometime early next year. And that's, that's the one that'll start around $40,000. The other start around 46, I think.

Roberto Baldwin  21:08  
Yeah, yeah. So it's still, you know, it's right up there with like, the ionic 586. How much it's a pulse. You just drove it here. We'll just ask you the XC 40. XC,

Sam Abuelsamid  21:22  
XC 40 is are the C 40, I should say, is 60,000. It's like 59 59,000 including delivery. Alright. And yeah, I think it's it's a bit smaller than the Aria.

Roberto Baldwin  21:36  
But it's also crazy fast. Yes, it is. So things are so fast. The XC 40 and the C 40. are so like they're they're just like, wow,

Sam Abuelsamid  21:44  
surprising when you step. Yeah, how quick they go.

Roberto Baldwin  21:47  
There's like, yeah, we have a system from the Pollstar to just throw it in here and go for it knock yourself out. You're like, okay, yeah.

Sam Abuelsamid  21:54  
And, you know, for moving on, for those that are, you know, not quite ready to make the jump to a full battery electric vehicles, you're not quite confident that that it's going to meet your needs. We also have plug in hybrids that are available. And one of those actually, Kia has got several, a couple of several now, but one of those is the Sorento plug in hybrid, which was added to the new generation Sorento lineup, which launched in late 2020. Camp plug in hybrid was added last year. And this is it's using the same basic hybrid architecture that Hyundai Motor Group has been using for the past decade. So it's a little different from the way Toyota does it. Toyotas systems, their hybrid drive has two electric motors in there, that they use for balancing or for doing the brake regenerative braking and, and also for grounding the planetary gearset and essentially gives you an electronic continuously variable transmission system with those motors and the gears that they have in their Hyundai Motor Group, which includes Hyundai Kia and Genesis does a different approach, which is more similar to what you find from a bunch of other automakers, including Volkswagen, where the the motor goes in place of where the torque converter would be on a conventional automatic transmission. So it's between the engine and the transmission. No no torque, no torque converter, and then there's clutches on either side of the motor and a conventional six speed automatic gearbox. And, in the case of the, the pre a lot of the previous hybrids and plug in hybrids from Hyundai and Kia have used a naturally aspirated two liter four cylinder with that combination for the Sorento which is a bit bigger than some of the previous ones, they have swapped in a version of the 1.6 liter turbo direct injected turbo that is widely used across the both of those brands vehicle lineups. In this case, it generates 177 horsepower and 195 foot pounds of torque so it's got really good broad torque band and then they add in and 90 horsepower electric motor in there. And the the total the the motor itself has 224 foot pounds of torque from zero RPM. So you get a combined total when you when they're all blended together 261 horsepower 258 foot pounds of torque which is pretty good. It's it's comparable to what you would get with a V six in many cases. servers of the size. And, you know, the overall performance is, is more than adequate, it's quite quick. The, you know, they have the same basic setup with the hybrid and the plug in hybrid, the main difference being the battery size, the plug in hybrid gets a 14 kilowatt hour battery pack, which gives you an EPA raid rated range estimate of 34 miles. I, when I was driving it, it was or sorry, 32 miles. When I was driving it, I went through my usual drive loop that I do with with plug in vehicles. And I actually got it to go 34 miles before the engine kicked on. And, you know, with the amount of power and particularly the amount of torque that that this electric motor has, there is, it's pretty easy to drive it on electricity alone, you know, you, you don't have to, you know, Billy be really light footed on it, you can engage an Eevee only mode. And, you know, the the power, you know, the 90 horsepower is not huge amount, but the 224 foot pounds of torque is more than enough for, you know, for your daily driving. So the Sorento, you know, is sort of upper mid size crossover, it's got a third row of seats, trust me, you don't really want to use them. Just fold them down, have a big giant cargo space in the back. You know, because, you know, unless you've got a couple of passengers back there with you that have been amputated at the knees. They really don't want to sit back there.

But with the seat with the rear seats folded down, the third row seats folded down, you get lots of cargo space. It's a decent size, you know it's a it's it's nice and roomy, it's smaller than a Telluride bigger than a Sportage, or Portage as some people like to pronounce it for. The for the plug in hybrid variant, which unfortunately, Hyundai and Kia because they are supply constrained on the batteries.

Sam Abuelsamid  27:23  
They only offer the plugin versions, the plug in hybrid versions of their vehicles in California and the other dozen or so states that mandate manufacturers have to sell a certain percentage of EVs. So, for example, if you live here in Michigan, you can't go to a Kia dealer here and buy one, you would have to go to a Kia dealer in California or Colorado or somewhere in the northeast and buy one and bring it back and then transfer the registration to Michigan.

Sam Abuelsamid  27:57  
But that said, if you do want one, the starting price is 46,040 6000 and change. For the the SX or sorry 45,001 90 Yeah, and then with the 13 $100,000 destination fee a little over 46,000. And then there's also the SX prestige which add just that's a few few more options for another couple of $1,000. The one that I drove was an SX prestige. Pretty much loaded with everything. leather interior, you know the Bose premium audio system 12.3 inch digital instrument cluster, perforated leather seats, you know they're heated and cooled. All that all that good stuff can do a grand total of $49,720, including the delivery fee. It's as I said, it's rated at 32 miles of electric driving range by the EPA 79 MPG E for combined driving a typical combined driving cycle. And if you drive it without plugging it in and just use it as a regular hybrid, you'll get about 34 miles per gallon, which is you know, comparable to what you would get with something like the Toyota Highlander, which is just slightly larger. But I think the driving experience in this one because it's because it uses a conventional step ratio automatic transmission. The driving experience feels better than this one, it feels more natural, you'd never get any of that motorboating effect that you get with a CVT type of system. And it feels nice to drive. It's got a nice interior, it's got sounds of nature, and it looks good

Roberto Baldwin  29:59  
or or Parisian coffee house.

Sam Abuelsamid  30:02  
Yeah, whatever, you know, walking through the woods, a Parisian coffee house,

Roberto Baldwin  30:06  
you know what, no walking through this note, yeah.

Sam Abuelsamid  30:09  
Stream, babbling stream, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever turns you on, you know, it's all there. So. And yeah, that is continues to be a feature that is unique to Hyundai and Kia vehicles only. So if you appreciate that sort of thing, you know, key has got you covered with the the Sorento plug in hybrid. And there at the Chicago Auto Show, they announced the Sportage plug in hybrid, which will have the same powertrain in it. And that's coming, I think, later this summer. So there's increasing number of options for people that want to go either fully or partially electric, you know, with a family oriented vehicle. Last time that we got together, I talked about the the key a carnival, which did not get anywhere near as good fuel economy as this thing does. And I would be shocked if before too long, kiya doesn't drop this same powertrain into the carnival, because I think I think this would be a really good combination in the carnival, you know, it's got similar overall performance similar, we're all power to the to the V six in the carnival, and would get vastly better fuel economy and, you know, give you you know, 30 plus miles of electric driving, which for most people means that you can, you know, if you plug it in at night, you can do almost all of your daily driving without ever using any gas, you know, you might, you might only go you know, go to the gas station, you know, every few months, which when gases, you know, upwards of six bucks a gallon as it is in California right now. I'm sure that that would not bother you in the least.

Roberto Baldwin  31:59  
Yeah, you know, it should be Yeah.

Sam Abuelsamid  32:05  
Alright, let's move on to some other stories of the week. Let's start with the Lotus Electra Electra. Yes, I would, I would be curious to see what Collin Chapman would think of this thing.

Roberto Baldwin  32:23  
I mean, I think there's the you're always I mean, it's it's an SUV. Let's just say that. So and, you know, people got mad at Porsche. Let me put out an SUV. People got mad at Lamborghini because they put an SUV. But you know what, let's SUVs. They pay the bills. That's right. SUVs, pay the bills, because people want SUVs,

Sam Abuelsamid  32:45  
selling hands in the cons is what allows Porsche to continue selling nine elevens and youngsters,

Roberto Baldwin  32:50  
the fact that there is a 911 there is a there is a variant of nine 911 for every single person who's bought a 911. Yeah, because of all the cons, and the kinds out there. And the oldest is the best selling Lamborghini ever made. That's fans down. It's just just money. It's just it's printing money for Lamborghini. It's a they can make all the hurricanes and events adores and

Sam Abuelsamid  33:15  
whatnots or even Yeah, restart the event or assembly line. Yeah, because a bunch of developed 1212 12 more final edition cars. Well, more, like the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.

Roberto Baldwin  33:27  
Yeah. Who the guy who took it apart is like, Ah, are you kidding me?

Sam Abuelsamid  33:35  
So yeah, the the, the Electra you know, in typical Lotus fashion, the names got to start with an E. And they, you know, have to kind of make it sound sort of electric, although the name apparently has a meaning, which I can't find right now. But it says it's got the release, you know, the bullet points at the top of the press release, say, the soul of a lotus with the usability of an SUV. But when I when I first looked at the photo of this, the photos of this thing, the first thing that actually came to mind looking especially looking at the front, was that that Lamborghini? Or is that you mentioned to me that Oh, yes. In that front end?

Roberto Baldwin  34:27  
Yeah, there there is. Yeah. The back end, though, is very, very reminiscent of the, the via the high bar that the via via via whatever. There's, you know, they're a British company. I don't know what's going on. We have via and so that back end is very much you know, based on that, that design that they showed off, but the front end Yeah, yeah. It's a little it's a little Lamborghini s.

Sam Abuelsamid  35:02  
Yeah. This thing's got two electric motors with somewhere upwards of 600 horsepower 100 Plus kilowatt hour battery pack, top speed of 161 miles an hour, zero to 60 and sub three seconds. And a range on the W LTP. drive cycle, which is one they use in Europe, a 373 miles so that should on EPA, it should put it, you know, a little over 300, probably around 310, maybe 315 on the EPA test, which is pretty good. It's got

Roberto Baldwin  35:38  
a 100 800 volt system. I think I know it was three 350 kilowatt. Yep. So charging capability. So 800 volt, which I don't know why anyone's on eight by eight why everyone's on 800 volts at this point, but sure,

Sam Abuelsamid  35:52  
well, it does add cost. There there is a there is a cost associated with the components, you need to do an 800 volt

Roberto Baldwin  36:00  
or Hyundai can do it. If Hyundai can do it. That's true. Then I don't want to hear anyone else complaining about the cost of Hyundai like, Yeah, we could do that. Well, I

Sam Abuelsamid  36:10  
mean, we can't complain about Lotus you know, they're they're doing it. That's true. Yeah. Good job. And yeah, lucid, lucid, all went all the way to

Roberto Baldwin  36:16  
900 900. You know, your 800 We're gonna go to nine. So lucid, like we're gonna this one goes to 11.

Sam Abuelsamid  36:25  
Yeah. So let's see, does it say when this has gone on sale? I'm not sure. What one one thing about this. It has three LIDAR sensors as part of its driver assist suite. And they are the first of what they're referring to as deployable LIDAR. So there's one in each front fender just above just above the front wheel arches, and then another one above the windshield. And I Lotus currently is owned by Gili, the Chinese automaker, that also happens to own Volvo and Pollstar and a whole bunch of other Chinese brands. And Volvo, of course, has a deal they're using luminaires Iris LIDAR. It's hard to tell from the, the, the the photos don't actually show the LIDAR. But the B roll foot video that they supplied shows the lidars popping out from the sides when needed. And from the top. And they kind of looked like Luminar LiDAR, but we'll have to wait and see if that's what they actually are.

Roberto Baldwin  37:41  
It's just Yeah, I mean, the that a lucid had LIDAR on it. So yeah, we're seeing more and more actual cars with actual LIDAR coming out being used. Showing that having a redundant system is a good idea is actually what it comes down to.

Sam Abuelsamid  37:59  
Yeah, event you mentioned the 350 kilowatt charging. Lotus is claiming that this will deliver 248 miles of range in just 20 minutes on a 350 kilowatt charger.

Roberto Baldwin  38:10  
If you can get it up that fast. That's the Yeah, yeah,

Sam Abuelsamid  38:15  
I get it. It always is.

Roberto Baldwin  38:17  
I've taken there's a 350 near my house that I have that I all the 350s are like 30 miles 40 miles from my house. So I have the EAA and some the poetry 15 closer to me. But, uh, yeah, like I was there yesterday with a car, and it was doing the car was to 430 Anyway, it was it was around 226 or something. It was pretty it was it was doing pretty good. It was like up there. It's like within three kilowatts. Today, it hit 200 for like a second. And then the rest of the time it was around 160 And I was like I'm on 350 I was like, come on. Yeah, that's

Sam Abuelsamid  38:54  
this yesterday, when I was at the BZ Forex event, I was talking with a couple of people that work on charging experience for EVs, Toyota, and I spoke at some length complaining saying, These are the things that you guys need to fix. If you want EVs to be successful, you know, you've got to you got to get whoever your charging network partners are to really make these things reliable, and have the vehicle setup so that it can so you know, so that can charge as fast as it possibly can. And then also, you know, make sure that the the Chargers are reliable I mean there's there's all kinds of issues that need to be resolved with chargers but that's that's one of the big ones is making sure it when you plug it in it charges fast.

Roberto Baldwin  39:44  
Yeah, I mean that's that's the that's what that's the that's the killer app for Tesla still has the charging network. Of course, Tesla only has to like no one system and that's their own system. Once Tesla decides to open up then all the issues you see with EA with Evie go with charge point where sometimes The you know, the software handshake doesn't work out so well that's going to happen at Tesla, because every single car that comes out has to be taken to their, to whoever charging station they have to figure out how it works, they got to tell the system Hey, this is a new car. This is how it charges this is how big the battery is, this is how much power you guys send to it. It's this this whole Yeah, with like trying to plug in a different, a bunch of different like, let's say hard drives into your, your, your MacBook, or your PC. And it's just like every time there's like something a little bit different, and so it has to, like reconfigure it.

Sam Abuelsamid  40:35  
Alright, let's see, besides EVs, which we've been talking about it at some length today. You know, a lot of automakers have talked about by the end of this decade, at least here in North America. They're targeting getting to 50% of their sales being EVs Ford has said this, GM said this, The Lantis has said it. Volvo and others you know, want to be want to be at least 50% Evie sales in North America by the end of the decade. But of course, you know, in a market where that's normally about 17 million vehicles in the US. If you're selling 50% EVs, that still means you got about eight and a half million sales a year with internal combustion engines. And the regulations for emissions and fuel economy for those engines is not getting any easier. And when you're the automaker that already ranks well, at the bottom of the list, or corporate average fuel economy is still Lantis previously known as Fiat Chrysler, you know, in 2020, they were their corporate average fuel economy was about 21.8 miles per gallon. And the next lowest one can't remember a thing it might have been GM, or Ford was like 23 plus. So still ANSYS you know, they want to sell half of their vehicles to be electric in 2030. But they've got to make their ice vehicles more efficient in the meantime. So they are launching what will in all likelihood, maybe be their last ever all new internal combustion engine design. It's gone on sale, it's actually in production. Now. It's going to be arriving in vehicles over the next few months. It's called Hurrican. It's a three liter, inline twin turbo six cylinder engine. So no v six, which, you know, this has been speculated for some time. And now it's real. And the, the standard output version is going to do over 400 horsepower, and 450 foot pounds of torque, and the high output version will be over 500 horsepower, and 475 foot pounds of torque. Which, you know, if those, those numbers sound remotely familiar, that is in the same ballpark as the current 5.7 and 6.4 liter Hemi V eights. So this thing is in many applications going to be replacing Hemi V eight engines over the course of the next year or so.

Roberto Baldwin  43:26  
So instead of saying I got a Hemi people are gonna be like I gotta hurry. Hurry Yeah, yeah, that's what's gonna be on the side of your cars but everyone sorry.

Sam Abuelsamid  43:40  
Some some interesting stuff on this engine. It's it's an all aluminum block. But because it's a six cylinder, an inline six instead of a V six. You know, it's obviously longer than a V six engine, but they wanted it to be able to fit in the same package volume, where they currently have the V eight engines. So in order to reduce the spacing between the bores, they opted to not have iron or steel cylinder liners in there. Instead, they have what's known as plasma transfer wire arc coating or spray bore coating in there, which is something that was originally invented by Ford. But Ford was not actually the first company the first automaker to put it into production. They didn't do it until 2010 on the GT 500. When they went to an aluminum block and the GT 500, the first company to use this in production was Nissan on the GTR. The the GTR V six uses this technology, which what it is they they have a steel wire that gets heated up to about 4500 degrees Fahrenheit, or 40 150 degrees Fahrenheit and then blown and that when it's heated up that high Lowes, it creates microscopic particles of steel that are deposited onto the cylinder walls. So you have a really thin layer of steel covering that aluminum that is actually has 10 times the wear resistance of a cast iron liner. But it's a fraction of the thickness. So you can basically squish the whole engine down and fit it into the space of a VAT and lighter and lighter

Roberto Baldwin  45:25  
cast irons, like I don't know, like an ounce is like what seven 800 pounds.

Sam Abuelsamid  45:28  
So yeah. So so this the six, this new six cylinder even though it's got, you know, twin turbos and intercoolers, and everything on there, still comes out to be about 65 pounds lighter than the corresponding v eight engines. So you got a lighter engine, that's going to be about 15% more fuel efficient, make even a little bit more power. And it's coming to to an assortment of still Lantus North American products only this year, it won't be used. So you won't see this in any next generation Alfa Romeo Giulia is or style vos, it's not going to go into any products from Europe. It's only going to be used in North American products, although some of them some of those are exported. They export jeeps and other stuff overseas. But it's only going to be going into vehicles that are built here.

Roberto Baldwin  46:23  
And in the vehicles you would anticipate. Yeah, you know, America likes a big engine and a big vehicle. That's what you're gonna get. You need a jeep. Yeah, you need a Dodge Ram. Yeah.

Sam Abuelsamid  46:35  
Yeah, they're not saying exactly which vehicles are getting it yet. But, you know, I think it's pretty safe to assume that anything that's got a Hemi in it right now is a likely candidate for this thing for the

Roberto Baldwin  46:50  
hurry. Yeah, I'm calling it now. It's gonna be called to hurry. Hurry up. Hurry, or they might call it the Hemi, the Hemi hurricane so they can keep the name because hammies I mean, that's a name. You don't want to give up. I'm sure there's gonna be an Eevee Hemi. Like I got an Eevee Hemi mine. I get to the Hemi electric or Hemi plus or Hemi ion or something? I don't know.

Sam Abuelsamid  47:11  
I don't know how they're gonna figure that one out.

Roberto Baldwin  47:14  
The him and that he will be blue. That's how they'll do it. Oh, make the blue ham. Yeah, tell me but the easy to use blue.

Sam Abuelsamid  47:21  
Well, that's it the do on the four buddies on the on the green shirt. Yeah, by if you look at the badges, you know, if you look closely at them, you'll see that it actually looks like it's two layers, you know, so you got the the top layer is Chrome. And then there's this like surf blue layer underneath. So that gives it that little distinct touch to separate it from the other one's

Roberto Baldwin  47:45  
blue is the official color of electricity now. Yeah, cuz apparently.

Sam Abuelsamid  47:49  
Yeah. The badges on that Toyota BZ for x. Yeah, it's all it's all blue.

Roberto Baldwin  47:55  
Everything's blurred now.

Sam Abuelsamid  47:56  
Yeah. All right. The other stuff we have here. We need Nicole to talk about those. So we'll leave those aside for the time being. Let's let's dive into some questions. Let's see. Let's start with Gupta AJ. He says, I'm not a tech bro. Can all the little computer chips in a vehicle be replaced by incorporating a PC in the vehicle? I mean, AMD Intel arm chips don't seem to be in short supply. They are.

Roberto Baldwin  48:33  
Everything's in short supply. I mean, it's a you get the NVIDIA GPUs are learning short supply Kryptos has not helped that situation at all. But yeah, all the chips are in short supply. Unfortunately, everything you're missing foundries down boundaries trying to catch up. They're trying to build foundries. Yeah. Can't get enough neon from Ukraine. Yeah, they can't get enough neon from the Ukraine. It's there's a lot of Yeah. Yeah, all the little chips are just, they're just weird things that you probably don't ever think about that are in short supply that you wouldn't even assume are have to deal with cars. And there's like over I mean, the wiring harness from the UK, Ukraine for the Volkswagen Group. That's it's so weird thing. That's that's the thing.

Sam Abuelsamid  49:21  
Yeah. And, yeah, it's, it's not as simple as just dropping a PC into a vehicle. You know, first of all the thermal requirements and the power requirements, and the durability requirements for all the stuff in a car. You know, if you if you picked up your PC off your desk or picked up your laptop, stood there and shook it for a couple of hours and just kept shaking it and then you know, heat it to or cool it down to 40 below zero and heated up to 120 Fahrenheit and repeat that process a couple of 1000 times then expose it to salt spray and humidity and all that stuff. It probably wouldn't last very long.

Roberto Baldwin  50:07  
Yeah, automotive grade is a huge, huge, huge thing that people don't really think about. They're like, well, we can build phones and make Yeah, your phones automotive grade your phone if your phone crashes, like no big deal.

Sam Abuelsamid  50:18  
Yeah. And, you know, to, to, to be fair, most of the processor chips that are in your car already are arm chips of various types, you know, there, there's probably anywhere from 50 to 100 arm chips in your car already if you if you have any kind of modern vehicle, you know, and it's a wide variety of arm versions, you know, there's like older arm three arm for ARM five chips, there's arm seven stuff, and, you know, there's all kinds of things that are in there. And, you know, now we're getting GPUs put into cars as well, you know, the, that Lucid Air has got an NVIDIA SOC in there that they they haven't said specifically which one but I'm pretty sure it's the NVIDIA Xavier, which is a chip that combines like eight ARM Cortex, a 57 cores, I think, and a whole bunch of Nvidia, Pascal GPU cores, and a bunch and a bunch of other stuff all in one chip. The other problem with just putting a PC into your car is looking at how many ports are on a typical modern PC, you might have 234 USB ports, various types, maybe an HDMI, maybe an Ethernet port, that's about it. On a car, you got, you know, hundreds of sensors, that all need to be connected up. So you've got to have a lot of I O, you know, connecting all this stuff to that's monitoring everything and controlling all the systems in your car. So yeah, no, you can't just stick a PC in your car. It won't. It's not that something.

Roberto Baldwin  52:02  
Yeah, yeah. And then just writing all the software for every system on chip and then making sure all that software talks to each other and then having the software that like the people can use and then making sure that it's you know, it's doesn't crash again, then not crashing. Yeah, not just like dying again, it'd be like, Oh, well, you know, your phone and like your phone can like, you know, your phone just turns off, you're like, Okay, I've been in car like pre production cars where the car just turns off because the system crashed. And you're like, oh, okay, this is what happens when, you know, things aren't quite ready.

Sam Abuelsamid  52:33  
It's been there. Yeah, man, I've been in many development vehicles when bad things happen.

Roberto Baldwin  52:41  
Or things like what happened car just turned off.

Sam Abuelsamid  52:46  
And actually, you know, there are AMD and Intel chips in some cars already. You know, the, the the model the refreshed Tesla Model S and Model X that were launched with the plaid. The new infotainment system that's in those is using an AMD system on a chip that is basically the same chip that's in the latest efficient Xbox and PlayStation five. So it combines an AMD x86 CPU and an AMD GPU cores on one die. And Intel has been used for various things in vehicles for a long time. Not not not a huge amount of Intel stuff but there's there's some in there, but it's mostly mostly

Roberto Baldwin  53:39  
much as they should I feel like Intel's really sort of like they're trying to get into I mean, they've partnered with forward and stuff but he's just like Intel when it comes to mobile and and and vehicles. I feel like they

Sam Abuelsamid  53:52  
just did back in the early 90s.

Roberto Baldwin  53:54  
They're not they're not pushing as much like Nvidia when I the last time I turned video, they were building a brand new campus across the street because they had so much fun. Yeah.

Sam Abuelsamid  54:04  
Well, the back in the early 90s, Intel was supplying chips for the auto industry. You know when I joined Kelsey Hayes in 1991. They were starting to work on the first applications with the ADC 196 which is basically the the version of the chip that was in the original PC X t. But it was modified for automotive to make it automotive grade. And you know, Intel mostly dropped out of the auto industry later in the 90s when arm chips came along, kind of like they did in mobile and other markets are planted by arm

Roberto Baldwin  54:45  
there. There was a dinner once I had with Intel and me and another reporter the person who was in charge of mobile at Intel this is when Intel was still trying to get into phones. Most of the reporters kept peppering this person with questions like Well, why didn't you do this and why didn't do this? The person just stopped talking to us. Because there's like the, the I feel bad because we're just like, you know, we're reporters that's our job has asked like a lot of questions, a lot of tough questions. And there were, there may be a little Yeah, I think that I think they just shut down because they know they're there. These were decisions made not made by this person essentially is what it came down to. Yeah, it's like I kind of I felt bad. But again, it's my job and it was his job to answer.

Sam Abuelsamid  55:28  
Let's see. Next one from Andrew Pappas. How can dealers and manufacturers better educate sales people? When I bought a Ford Focus, they didn't even know how to fold the rear seats flat. As cars grow exponentially income and complexity? How will people learn to operate the car?

Roberto Baldwin  55:48  
Ah, that's it. That's a weird thing. Because the the automakers send videos and training and do all these things. But it really comes down to the dealership itself, like making sure that the sales staff is watching this. And of course, I'm sure the sales staff is pushing back. Why would I watching this when I could be out on the floor making money? Yeah, and I think that's what it comes down to, if I'm not out on the floor, I'm not making money. If I'm sitting at my desk or sitting in the back room. I'm watching a video about how things work for every single car that comes in. I'm wasting time. Because time is money. And I think that's kind of what it comes down to.

Sam Abuelsamid  56:26  
Yeah, yeah. And another part of the problem as well is that there tends to, you know, in sales staff and automotive, retail sales staff, there tends to be a lot of turnover, you know, people jump from one dealership to another to another, you know, often to different brands. And so they're constantly have to learn new stuff. And, you know, they they just want to focus on the basics. Yeah, get get the basics sorted out. And they'll mean, you would think something like folding receipts would be pretty basic. But, you know, this when it seems like, every few years, when it's time to go shop for a new car. You know, I'm usually usually the one educating the salesperson as to what's in the car that they're trying to sell me. Tell Yeah, explaining to him, you know how these various features work. It's like, ah,

Roberto Baldwin  57:22  
yeah, that happens. Stuff happens with with us. Yeah, yeah, it's, it comes. I mean, we're fortunate. Fortunately, you can do a lot of research on your own for the vehicles that you were very interested in. So chances are if you're spending time researching a vehicle that you really like, you're probably going to know more than the salesperson because you you're only looking at one car, they're looking at all the cars plus all the used cars plus, you know, wherever they work before plus their next job, which starts next week at Nissan Nissan dealership. So, yeah,

Sam Abuelsamid  57:54  
yep, it's all right. Yeah. Next one from Bryn Bryn Behrens housing, asks, How have any automakers looked into doing swappable or Loanable batteries, not for in between every charge but for temporary loans. i You can buy a car with a reasonable but lower range, and then rent an extended range battery for your annual road trip that gets swapped out. I know Mazda is doing a loaner Vehicle program with the MX 30. But that's less than ideal for people who want to be able to stick with the car they bought, instead of driving something they're unfamiliar with couldn't it could be an interesting solution to battery cell availability. Not sure what the feasibility is for creating an injectable battery, but I'm thinking dream scenario. So you're not going to have a quote unquote ejectable battery. But if you go back to 2014, I think when Tesla demo their battery swap system, that was exactly one of the selling points with that system was you know, you could buy a Model S with you know, the the base level battery package, that battery setup, you know, which would be more than enough for all of your daily commuting, and then you know where that that weekly transcontinental road trip, you could go in and swap that out for the high capacity battery. And then when you get back, you know, get the get your original battery back. The The problem there is more just battery swapping in general. Most manufacturers have shied away from battery swapping, because it adds a lot of complexity. It adds potential failure modes, especially with liquid cooled batteries because you've got to have not just electrical connections, but you know the coolant line connections. All that stuff's got to be flushed. You know, it can be done. Neil does it in China. It's a big part of their business. They have something like 800, battery swap stations across China now. And you can go, but they, they don't have smaller and larger batteries, they just have one battery size and wipe it out. Yeah. And, and this, you know, this is this is another part of the the problem if you want to have multiple battery sizes, or if you've got different vehicles with different battery pack configurations, you know, over time, you might, you know, as you design new generation vehicles, you might want to change the pack design. So now you've got to have swap stations that are stocking all these different kinds of batteries. And it starts to get really complicated really fast. Yeah, if you're gonna, if you're gonna stick with one format, that's great. But I think you know, it's really going to be fleets more than anything else. Where where you start to get some traction with battery swapping.

Roberto Baldwin  1:00:55  
Yeah, there's there's a startup here in the Bay Area that has battery swap for like people who are samples and stuff. Yeah, ample. So I went and watched it and it took like 10 minutes or something. And instead of the entire pack, it pulled out little individual modules and then replaces the modules. But you know, it's again, it works. It works best for fleets. And I think what's the automaker's like, you know, a lot of these batteries are built into the to the, you know, making, you know, making the, the frames, you know, it's part of the frame. And you know, you're adding all this complexity, which means you're adding weight, which means the the, you know, the, the extra, you know, range you're going to get, you're going to lose on both hands. Regardless of which battery pack you have, you're going to lose you know, 10% of your of your range, because you have all this extra weight because you have to swap you have to have this whole mechanism for swapping. And I think once everyone hits 800 kilowatt an 800 volt system, and cars can charge at 300 kilowatts, then I think that's when you're gonna have you're gonna it's gonna be Yeah, it's the idea of swapping batteries because you're just gonna pull up charge really quickly. And then hopefully really quickly. Yeah. And then move on with your day.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:02:07  
Alright. Hey, everybody, Nicole just locked in.

Nicole Wakelin  1:02:10  
It did. Hello. She just Hello.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:02:13  
How was your flight Nicole?

Nicole Wakelin  1:02:15  
Longer than it was supposed to be? Which is why I'm just joining now. Yes, we got a little bit delayed and our landing. So other than that, everything was peachy.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:02:28  
All right. Well, we have gone through a bunch of the stuff that the that we've been driving and we also talked about the Lotus Electra, that Lotus is new electric crossover, and still ANSYS the new Hurrican engine. But tell us what have you been driving? The most

Nicole Wakelin  1:02:45  
recent thing that I had to drive was the 2022 passport, 100 passport, all wheel drive transport, because everybody has to now have some kind of trail worthy off roadie version of a car or they're not even really making cars anymore. So I had that and of course the trim is orange, because also the color that you have to use it somewhere in your design is orange or you'll call it bronze or you call it rusted. That's also the color of offering. So I Yeah, it is, right. It's true, right? Because if you look at them all that's what they're all doing. So yes, I have that it's got a 3.5 liter V six nine speed automatic it's a pretty responsive vehicle they do you know, it's got all the the Honda Sensing it has, you know, the nice sort of interior it's, I guess it's more like an upscale trim, but they also add some special stuff to it. There's a transport logo on the seats. And there's orange interior lighting, see more orange, I'm not lying. And they get gray wheels insert like sort of it's like trim stuff that makes it look a little bit fancy pants. I don't know that it looks more rugged. It looks more rugged. Orange is rugged. I mean, like yellow, not rugged. Orange. Yeah, let's climb about oranges

Roberto Baldwin  1:04:04  
around sunset. It's clay. It's sedimentary rock. It's all those things. The mystery

Nicole Wakelin  1:04:11  
rock. Well, I hadn't thought of that necessarily. But now I will

Roberto Baldwin  1:04:16  
be driving through a field. There's a bunch of pumpkin just right, right over.

Nicole Wakelin  1:04:19  
And then because you're so rugged, and the orange just compels you to be more rugged. Yeah, that's exactly it. So this is it is $44,090. So it's, you know, not an inexpensive vehicle. But it's you get that

Sam Abuelsamid  1:04:38  
challenge anymore.

Nicole Wakelin  1:04:39  
No, there's not. You know, weirdly I was looking something up the other day. Okay, the first ever drive program that I ever did was for the Dodge Dart almost 10 years ago, to the day when they were launching that I was looking at the pricing on that and I'm like, was that only 10 years ago because I don't think you could buy a scooter for that price at this point. So,

Sam Abuelsamid  1:05:01  
going back to extensive going back to rugged orange for a moment, either Have you watched Merville yet? No.

Roberto Baldwin  1:05:09  
I've watched a couple episodes. I watched the one with the football player guy. Yeah, I

Sam Abuelsamid  1:05:16  
think the second Oh, he's He's so

Roberto Baldwin  1:05:19  
good. They should just have him and everything. And then I think I watched the Sharon Stone one. I watched a couple of them. It I really like it.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:05:28  
So so so for those not familiar with murder Ville, it's Netflix or Amazon, Netflix, Netflix. It's a new show that's on Netflix stars Will Arnett as as a homicide detective, senior senior detective and each episode he's paired with a different celebrity trainee detective. The first episode was Conan O'Brien

Nicole Wakelin  1:05:54  
enjoy it. I had no idea what it's called. I've seen a bunch of episodes.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:05:58  
Well, the reason I bring this up you talked about orange being the color of rugged. Yes, the vehicle that we are not drives. Yeah, his thing that he drives around every day is an orange dodge rampage.

Roberto Baldwin  1:06:15  
Yeah, I saw a rampage like a few weeks ago on like, at like Home Depot. And it was all like, it was all I was like, oh my god, I haven't seen one of these. And then I watched murder Ville.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:06:27  
We're watching that my wife was looking at looking at this. What the hell is that? I had to explain to her what, what it was at the time. Yeah. So for those of you that are a little younger, the Rampage was dodges answer to the VW rabbit pickup in the early 80s. It was a compact pick up based on the Dodge Omni. Oh, two four. So is their their little subcompact hatchback with a pickup bed. You know, or, or what Australians would call a ute. A year. Yeah, kind of kind of a mini El Camino.

Roberto Baldwin  1:07:03  
Yeah, that's a good that's a good description a mini El Camino. Like if you're like, Oh, I like El Camino. But I want it smaller.

Nicole Wakelin  1:07:09  
Yeah. And rugged because that one's orange.

Roberto Baldwin  1:07:12  
Exactly. And rugged.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:07:14  
Rugged version. All right. Anything else on the passport?

Nicole Wakelin  1:07:19  
No, I mean, it's a neat trick level and I mean, it's cool and it's funny they have the commercials for it. So here's the funny thing. They're running a lot of ads on TV for this right now and you see the ads and it's being all rugged. And it goes through like it's all off road and my daughter's like how can we do this offer to like not really like this trail by our house and just like put the commercial lives and like know the commercial has the car driving to a rather deep mud puddle on a perfectly level stretch of very dusty dirt road in a mud. It does not have it climbing over rocks so the commercial is spot on.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:07:53  
Well, to be fair, when Honda launched the passport a couple of years ago yes they did the the launch Drive Program out in Moab and we did crawl over some rocks they weren't quite as big as the rocks that we crawled over with the grand cherokee last week

Nicole Wakelin  1:08:12  
you're saying this to me that it's off roadie and called over rocks right after I did the Jeep program and those guys try to flip you upside down but so I don't

Roberto Baldwin  1:08:20  
there are levels of rocks

Sam Abuelsamid  1:08:24  
that were bigger than pebbles than these giant smaller than cheap rocks on and

Nicole Wakelin  1:08:29  
yeah, that should be that that should be the bar by which you said when you say you drove over rocks Jeek level rocks or like you know Honda level rocks What did you drive over?

Roberto Baldwin  1:08:40  
To be completely for I've been to a lot whenever I get these these off road cars I take them to an off road Park there's never any there in anything. There's there's some for runners, there's some Jeeps there's a lot of foreigners there's a lot of foreigners and some jeeps and that's that's essentially all these is for runners and jeeps I saw I saw I saw one Bronco it was brand new and clean and the person was very careful. Oh, that's new and brand new. Yeah, I

Nicole Wakelin  1:09:17  
always knew that like until you get that. They just have to like like just go out there and scratch the bejesus out of it on a tree branch or something.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:09:26  
Until Until you have some paint damage. And you hear that that steel skid plates. Skid Plate scraping over the boulders. You're not doing it right. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We definitely heard that last week. But oh my gosh, we talked about that until we can't

Nicole Wakelin  1:09:41  
talk about how it drove. Yeah, we have we have two more weeks. We can't say how do we say we drove it off road? I know it pulling teeth. It was a long

Roberto Baldwin  1:09:50  
embargo had once for a month. Crazy.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:09:55  
Alright, let's stick with with SUVs are you sort of pseudo SUVs. Tell us about the Mazda CX 50?

Roberto Baldwin  1:10:06  
Yeah, drove it. I can tell you about it, it's not good enough, it's gonna be like, you know, helpful.

Nicole Wakelin  1:10:15  
Or something about the safety, okay, and I don't really guys remember I just like, walked into his hotel room. So I have nothing open in front of me. So I know. There's so but as far as driving it, so they they're building the CX 50 is a little bit different is something again, you should have levels here. It's a little more rugged enough roadworthy not Jeep off road, Mazda off road, but they have drive modes on this, you have a sport, you have an off road. And then if you are in select trends, you also have a towing mode, it doesn't tow a whole ton. But I think when I say it's 3500 pounds, I couldn't make that up. But it

Roberto Baldwin  1:10:54  
was almost two tons. That's almost two times you're kind of open yourself up for that. Or sorry, sorry, you know, it's like a ton and a half in the morning. On in three quarters.

Nicole Wakelin  1:11:04  
I typed in three quarters, attendance three quarters. But so you they have us they just have this drive offer, which is kind of like this like breaks your head a little bit because you're like Mazda, what happened to my little Miata, like now I'm taking it in the dirt. And it was like, it's not something you're really good to do anything rugged offerding. But it like it took you into the dirt. We went up some sort of grassy dirt ish hills that you know, there were some little potholes situations there that they needed. So it was a little bit more challenging. They had us do a not super high speed but traveling a little bit faster, sort of on a loop on this dirt area, so that we could get a feel for it. And can you can you offer it in it? Very lightly. Yes. Is it a more capable Mazda? If you're going to drive in the dirt, then other Mazda is definitely I mean, they did change how the torque distributes between the wheels. So it's not like they have these drive modes that you when you push that offroad button and adjust 15 different systems within the vehicle it just really pretty much just adjust how the torque is distributed. To try to keep your wheels from slipping and keep the tracks you were going to want it when you have maybe one wheel popped in the air a little bit because you're on uneven trade. I don't know how many people are going to pop one wheel in the air in a Mazda. But if you did,

Sam Abuelsamid  1:12:19  
so handle Honda Honda rocks. I mean, obviously I don't

Nicole Wakelin  1:12:23  
rocks. I feel it could not handle Jeep rocks. I feel like it could have handled I don't handle really rocks, could it it could handle Honda dirt. It could handle Honda mud. It could handle Honda very tall grass. I mean, it's, it's, I don't want to say it. It's just so hard. Because literally I did these like that back to back with jeep. And it's there's, it's not really an off road vehicle. But if you're going to be driving on stuff that's a little more rugged. Maybe you want to drive right to, you know, off road to your cabin or to lake house or you're getting out there because you're mountain biking or something and you want to be able to drive a little bit off the beaten path, but there's still maybe a little path, then you're okay. And it you know it was it still does all that in delivers the sort of Mazda experience was it? It's a premium vehicle, they said how do they say it? They said they were pushing towards? They didn't say being a luxury brand, I believe they said a premium brand. And when they were put on the spot about it. They said you know, like, Wait, are you sort of saying you you were not just a regular run of the mill, you know, automaker, you're really trying to go towards luxury. They're like premium brand. Yes, we are pushing to that. But we are not forgetting that not everybody who buys a Mazda is looking for what would have been like their signature trim and most of their lineup that everybody was the leather seats and the really wood trends and the fancy interiors like they're gonna remember that there's still a range of customers who buy Mazda so they're not gonna like shut out people who are buying based trips. And they had, I just forgot the name of it meridian. They have a top rail system. No, it's not the audio system. It's the top they have a trim that's like the off it gets a package like the trail sport. There's like an one that has more of like an off roading kind of look to it. They did not have that one there for us to drive, unfortunately, without

Roberto Baldwin  1:14:17  
Meridian addition. So you're right,

Nicole Wakelin  1:14:19  
it is meridian. Okay, that's my thought. So the meridian addition, and they, which is going to, I think be mostly about looks, I don't know how much actual content there is to make that one any better. But that one was something that we didn't have. Unfortunately, we did not have that one to try out, which was like, well, well, we're on an off road thing. Give us that one. But it also has late arrival, and they didn't have pricing on it. So it's kind of a little bit of a question mark as to when and how much it'll cost and yeah, so that was sort of like a little, a little mystery that we will have to wait to reveal in the coming months.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:14:53  
Okay, so while we're still at CX 51 of the questions we had from Brian Behrens. How's that? was related to CX 50. He tweeted and retweeted a link to a video that Canadian journalist I think, posted in the CX 50 Tic Toc video. Apparently, the CX 50. Now has a touchscreen.

Nicole Wakelin  1:15:18  
Yes. Okay, that's a big deal. And here's the weirdness. So they're going through talking about it. I like yeah, you know, and the touchscreen that works really well to just like, wait, I'm sorry, what? touchscreen? Do we just hear those words come out of your mouth, your Mazda, right? It's a touchscreen, but only when you're using Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, and only if you enable the touch screen in the settings. So only when you're using those apps, if you leave that native app, no touchscreen. And they said the reason they did it was because both of those apps are optimized for touchscreen, the way that the buttons are arranged, and the sizes of the buttons and the style of it. It doesn't work as well with their rotary dial controller. And I thought my first thought was was hazhar some touchscreen functionality in a Mazda. But oddly, it's almost more confusing now. Because you have that moment of like, you'll go to touch it then. And you're no longer using that sick. Wait, no, I switch that like you don't know what to do. Yeah, you're like, Yeah, I don't know which direction to go. So it works beautifully. I mean, it does do what it's supposed to be, you can now use that as a touchscreen using those two, Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. But it does make you a little bit confused. Your brains like what? Wait, no, this is just this is not that I have to reach where's the controller? So it's, it's, I guess it's a good happy medium, but also, it causes a little additional confusion.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:16:44  
So well, Brian's question was, are they going to put that in all monsters? Or is it just the CX 50? Right now? Um, I can't remember if

Nicole Wakelin  1:16:52  
that question was directly asked something tells me that I felt like it was something that may have been rolling out, but I can't confirm that for sure.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:17:00  
I mean, it was just the Mazda and

Nicole Wakelin  1:17:02  
yeah, I'm sorry. I don't have that at the ready. Sorry. Bryn.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:17:05  
No worries. Okay. Another thing that you and I both drove last, in the last episode I put together we had our segment where we talked about the C 40. But we never did. We forgot to talk about the XC XC 60 recharge that we dropped the day before the C 40. Yeah. So so the XC 60 has been around for a while. And they've had the the plug in hybrid recharge for 2022. They've upgraded it with more battery capacity, and a more powerful electric motor on the rear axle. It's up to 147 horsepower. And so now the range has gone the electric driving range has gone from 19 to 35 miles on the EPA test. What did what did you think of the XC 60?

Nicole Wakelin  1:17:52  
I mean, we had a really brief drive in it. It wasn't very long that we had it sort of like we landed at the airport to kind of like a little loop de loop it back again. I thought it was I don't I didn't notice some this gigantic difference. You know, I don't think to me, I I liked it before. I liked it now, but I didn't walk away thinking oh, wow, that was cool.

Roberto Baldwin  1:18:13  
I thought that the 60s like XC 90 is great. XC 40 is great. Actually 16 We just sort of good. And I think they've they've tweaked it enough where it's much it's better. I don't think it's on the level of the 90 or the 40 yet, but it's like the best selling one. So it's like the the these really great ones. And then they have a good one. But the good ones the one they sell a lot of we got lost around the airport in Belgium when that the exit? Yeah, with a recharge.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:18:42  
Yeah, I think to me, I think that you know, the 60 series is more the, you know, is the sweet spot for me, you know, it's the right size. I find the 90s. I like the 90s. But I find them to be a little too big. And big, bigger than I would want for myself. Yeah. Yeah. And the 40s. You know, it's a good size too, but I like the size of the 60s. My personal favorite is the V 60 Lagen. But yeah, yeah, nope. Yeah, I've driven the XC 60 plug in hybrid before, but never driving it up in the mountains. And we did that with this when we drove from Palm Springs up to the Coachella Valley, VISTA. And it had no problem at all with 147 horsepower on the rear axle. It had plenty of power for driving, pure electric, you know, up the mountain, you know, going through the curves and everything. So you know, the and that's like 50 horsepower more than it had before from the electric motor. So I thought that that was good. But one of the one of the questions that we had was, let's see from from Daryl on Twitter, and it says Why can't cloth be a good option in luxury vehicles? It's popular on performance vehicles, I'd much rather have a nice patterned cloth Then bass leather or whatever, text substitute. And so I thought this was a good fit here because one of the the new features on the XC 60 for 2022 Is this new wool, wool cloth upholstery that they have in the seats Did you drive one with the wool with the wool or the leather?

Nicole Wakelin  1:20:19  
I can't prove I drove it or just ended up looking at it. But I I saw the material that you're talking about. And I I actually really liked it. I think it looks great. Like from an A point of view of like, Oh, you have to have leather or some kind of fancy schmancy synthetic leather for it to be luxury. I think it just needs to be something that has some character and has some personality to it. And it just doesn't look like really super cheap fabric. And that was actually kind of cool again.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:20:46  
Yeah, I mean, if it was me, I'd probably choose the wall. I like the way it felt and the way it looked. It was a lighter gray wool that they had in there. I probably wouldn't go with the wool if I had young kids, where I was hauling the dog around in there.

Nicole Wakelin  1:21:05  
That's why I wouldn't go with a fabric interior. Because if you spill something even your coffee if you're a grown up and have no kids, you spill it on fabric no matter how dark it is. It does get into the fabric. You spill it on synthetic leather or leather. You can probably wipe it off and save it you don't I mean, it's you can clean it. You can't cleaning fabric seats is a pain in the butt.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:21:26  
Yeah, so the answer is general question is cloth can be a good option and luxury vehicles. It's available in in some it's out there. You just got to find it. You got to find the right vehicles. Alright, let's, let's finish up the last few questions here. See, we talked about the truck miles the touchscreens talked about the battery swapping. Oh Ferlin. Coke. Hopefully, hopefully I'm not mangling that too much says, Have you ever seen or driven an Audi A two or an NSU ROI ad in the US? I think both cars were really ahead of their time, but not a success. Commercially, automakers nowadays don't seem to be willing to take such risks anymore. So the NSURL 80 was from 60s I think. And NSU was one of the the brands that got folded into Audi. And the ARO ad was a rotary powered car that they had back in the 60s. And the h2 was the 90s early 2000s a subcompact Audi had an aluminum spaceframe very lightweight. If either of you ever driven any of those,

Nicole Wakelin  1:22:45  
that'd be a no for me. No,

Roberto Baldwin  1:22:47  
no, sadly, no.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:22:49  
Yeah, I have not either. The the the there's the a two was never brought over here. I think there are some MSUs in the US, you know, some I don't know that they were ever imported. Officially imported. But, you know, obviously people have brought them over. And I've seen I've seen some SUVs that car shows, but I've never driven either one of these.

Roberto Baldwin  1:23:15  
I think in a couple years we'll be able to get some a twos over here because the 25 year yeah, thing but yeah, Americans it's it's weird with with small cars in America, like no one buys in our small cars, and then there's the Mini and that did really well. And you're like I look. Alright.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:23:34  
David one year, or one year I'm sorry if I mispronounced that as well. As it says, talk me out of a Ford Escape PHV. Is EB only mode 99% of the time possible, or will it feel underpowered? Will it start the gas engine occasionally to keep things from deteriorating? We do one or two road trips a year. But other than that, trips are less than 20 miles a day.

Roberto Baldwin  1:24:00  
I'm gonna Okay, so I've said this before the Ford Escape is like Applebee's. It's the Applebee's of cars. Like I don't I don't know anyone who's like yeah, let's go to Applebee's. It's just like, well, there's an Applebee's. It's not gonna make you sick. It's food. Um, the Ford Escape key have

Sam Abuelsamid  1:24:20  
is you might want to watch iron dolla dog. Yes. Don't

Roberto Baldwin  1:24:25  
ever get a salad from like a chain restaurant also. No, that's all I had seen. But the Ford Escape you have it's fine. It's just it's just sort of there. It's it you know, drives well. It's, it's okay. I will say that like when I drove the beehive I like um, after hours behind the wheel. My back kind of hurts. Really? Yeah. Yeah, it was it gave me back pain. That's not good. Yeah, but that's again that is me. You should drive the vehicle and see how you feel. Everybody not is different. I long I have a You know, long legs and weird, you know, long torso. Like really long arms. Like a spider. When you really think about it. So yeah, so there's Yeah, so there's there's that but, you know, I don't want to talk you out of buying if he had if you can get one now,

Nicole Wakelin  1:25:18  
I could talk somewhere. I mean, like, I wouldn't talk.

Roberto Baldwin  1:25:22  
It's a horrible car drives. Well, the transition from Evie to gas is fine. It's just sort of again, it's the Applebee's of cars. You know, I mean, you're not gonna get sick at Applebee's. Yeah, I'm sure

Sam Abuelsamid  1:25:34  
food there to answer the basic question. You know, if you're driving less than 20 miles a day, yeah, you can do 99% of your driving on electricity alone. Yeah, you can get I got 42 miles on electricity on my usual Evie drive loop. And, you know, it's not going to be hugely powerful, but it's more than adequate for for daily driving, especially around town, around town driving, you'll have plenty you'll have more than enough torque because it's, there's not a lot of power, but there's plenty of torque from the electric motor.

Roberto Baldwin  1:26:07  
It's fine. That's what that's escapee hip. It's fine. You're not gonna be like, super disappointed that you bought the Ford Escape.

Nicole Wakelin  1:26:19  
It's like, and if you don't drive that much, and you don't care about it, like, if you don't mind Applebee's, I mean, you'll be okay. If you don't want Applebee's, don't go to Applebee's. But I don't think I can talk you out of Applebee's. If that's what you're considering. I can't hate on it. Yeah, I mean, I hate on Applebee's. But still, I couldn't eat on that Ford PGV.

Roberto Baldwin  1:26:38  
It's not a bad car. It's just that's fine. Yeah.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:26:43  
Any, any plug in hybrid will periodically run the engine just to cycle fluids. Yes, keeping deteriorating and also to, to consume the gas in the tank in general. Most of them are designed to run a maintenance mode that will consume, you know, the volume of gasoline in the tank over the course of about a year. Yeah. You know, you don't want to leave gas sitting in the tank.

Roberto Baldwin  1:27:09  
You don't want to own gas. Yeah, brother, my brother's Chevy Volt with a V. Because during during COVID, and lockdown everything he wasn't driving anywhere. And at one point the car was just like, You know what, we're going all gas because all your all your gas. That's fine, we haven't driven enough. So we're gonna run this gas out before you get to go back to Eevee mode. That's

Sam Abuelsamid  1:27:31  
alright. Mikey knows asks any recommendations or best practices for charging an Eevee at home other than finding an electric a licensed electrician? So yes, absolutely. Get a licensed electrician, do not send your own down to yourself. Unless, of course you happen to be a licensed electrician, in which case have at it. But any other recommendations? Robbie, you're the Eevee owner.

Roberto Baldwin  1:27:53  
Yeah, I just I just had this done actually. I called a licensed electrician, they came out and they put it in and then yesterday the city came out and they inspected it and made sure that my house was burned down. So yeah, that is that is definitely I know, it's it's gonna cost more because you get a licensed electrician, and it's gonna cost you more money. You know, there was like $400 just for them to do all the drawings and the wirings and all the permitting and then the be here at my house when the person shows up. And I was just like, alright, yeah, so my house won't burn down and they're bonded and licensed and all that jazz. So, you know, things go haywire. Yeah, it's it's when it comes to your house and wiring. Like I don't want my house to burn down those that's that's where Yeah, I know I have a guy who will who will build my fence and I have a guy who do landscaping and I have a guy who like trim the trees and unless like yeah, that's fine. But like when it comes down to like those guys could do the wiring. But no

Nicole Wakelin  1:28:55  
know we got our plugin we hired an electrician came out he put a charger in the house. He did the permits, we paid him money house not burning down. It was worth it.

Roberto Baldwin  1:29:06  
Thumbs Up to

Sam Abuelsamid  1:29:09  
you both have your chargers inside the garage are on the outside of the house.

Roberto Baldwin  1:29:13  
Mine is on the outside. Just because we do you know I get a lot of review vehicles parked cars outside I keep buying tools I have every saw now you need a saw you kind of my you need something cut. I got a table saw. I got a circular saw. I got a jigs, I got all the saws. And so because of that, I got the you know, the the miter saw, I got everything. They take up a lot of space in the garage. So the before we're like, oh, we're just gonna move this stuff and then we'll eventually put the car in the garage and now it's just like, yeah, we become the people who just the the garage is now just the project land and the cars parked are parked outside, but we can put three cars in our driveway.

Nicole Wakelin  1:29:57  
We put ours in the garage just because Normally, it's honestly the cars parked outside and the cable just goes outside the garage because you got a really long cable for like cords so you can plug it in. But if it snows, because I'm in New England, I don't want to have to leave the car outside in the car when you get those like weird dumping snowstorms, and I can definitely park it inside. So it was mostly for that just a bit in the winter. Like, I really hate Claire. It's an awful car in the winter, and I was able to park in the garage. So yeah, but I've

Roberto Baldwin  1:30:25  
not lived in snow, I would definitely do that. But yeah, yeah,

Sam Abuelsamid  1:30:28  
I have, I have a licensed electrician coming on Monday to install a 240 volt outlet in my garage. There you go. And I'm I'm putting it on the inside just inside the garage door. Yeah, when I have it out, plug in vehicles to test Yeah, I'll just run the cord outside to the driveway. And then someday in the future, when you know, when we have an Eevee of our own, then you know, have it in the garage. But what you know, as far as other best practices, you know, just in terms of actually charging your EV take advantage of you know, the fact that you can pretty much every Evie I've ever seen, you can schedule when you want it to charge. So that you can take advantage of low interest or low off peak electricity rates, you know, usually after like nine or 10 o'clock at night, you know, until early morning. You know, so cost you less some cases, depending on where you are, you may want to consider you know check with your local utility, it may be worthwhile for you to get a separate meter installed for for your charger, because sometimes they have special rates, special electricity rates for EVs, but you to do to take advantage of that you've got to have a dedicated meter for that outlet that you're where you're charging the Evie. And that can that can save you quite a bit of money as well. And then, you know, when you use the scheduling, you know, when you get home, you just plug in the car. And you don't have to, you know, plan when it's going to charge. It'll just it'll just work and it'll start charging at whatever time set.

Roberto Baldwin  1:32:03  
Yeah, I'm reviewing three charge boxes. Right now I'm doing the juice box, that one from Electrify America and the charge point box. And on those what you do is you you you schedule it within the box. And then you have a little app and it tells you like when it starts charging. And it's it's pretty nice. And yeah, we also set up a tear, our rate is based on having an Eevee we had to put our VIN number we had to give our utility the VIN number and everything. So yeah, so at midnight, from midnight to like noon is like the least expensive. And so we just plug the car in. And but you know, we most of the time the cars charged my wife will plug it in. And then 20 minutes later it's charged. Yeah, because we're doing we're pushing about nine kilowatts now per hour.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:32:52  
Okay. Finally, Brianna Wu asks, Do you think Ferrari prices will ever come back to Earth? Or is today the best price I'll ever see on one?

Roberto Baldwin  1:33:02  
I think everything's gonna come down. I mean, it's eventually Yeah, it's a boom market. And at some point, a bubble eventually bursts. Every bubble eventually bursts. And I feel like you know, someone, a friend of mine was like looking at a bronco. And I'm like, you have a car. You don't need a car. Wait two years, right? Right now, everything is incredibly inflated, if you're going to sell a car, and you should be selling that thing now. Right? If you are going up, you don't actually need it to get around. Yeah, as long as you don't need it to get around. You have an extra one. If you have an extra one just in the garage, garage. You could sell it if you're going I just now like buying anything if you can help it, don't I yeah, for I think the Ferrari prices will probably come back down at some point. I think there's

Sam Abuelsamid  1:33:53  
probably never be cheap.

Roberto Baldwin  1:33:54  
But yeah, it's never. It's like It's like 911 prices, I think 911 prices are gonna come back down. But it's still gonna cost the 911 It's still a 911 You know,

Nicole Wakelin  1:34:04  
less than what it is now, but it's still not gonna be the price of a Prius.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:34:09  
Eventually, people will stop paying $120,000 for accurate Integris

Roberto Baldwin  1:34:13  
Exactly. We'll be able to get for a lot less. I think someone was showing off like model A's and stuff like hot rods and like the prices on those are just like cratering because no one wants them anymore. That's cuz cuz that's because that whole that generation that like those cars are just like, now they're, you know, they're hit, they're in their 70s and 80s They're like, Well, I'm not gonna go buy a project car. I'm not even buying green bananas right now. Why would I buy I

Sam Abuelsamid  1:34:44  
don't want to wait around for them to ripen.

Roberto Baldwin  1:34:46  
Yeah. So and then like everyone like the Gen X people who are buying up all the radwood stuff are insane amounts of money. Yeah, you know, that will get older and then you'll be $120,000 in tech. Yeah. exactly like once once you know once I'm in my 70s You'll be able to get a car. You know CR X for like 20,000 or $15,000. Some, some ridiculously cheap $5,000 for a CR X.

Sam Abuelsamid  1:35:13  
All right, well, that's all we got for this week. Thanks for hopping in there, Nicole. Yeah, sure. We will talk to you all next time.

Nicole Wakelin  1:35:25  
Bye bye