Sam Abuelsamid 0:00 Coming up on episode 248 of wheel bearings, we've got the Toyota Tundra, the BMW IX M 60. The Hyundai Sonata n line, the Porsche 17 718 came in GT for E performance, the Honda prologue. Elon Musk Crash Course concorso DeLaGarza, the Nissan Sentra and more of Hyundai's electrified vehicles, all that and more coming up next. This is episode 248. wheel bearings. I'm Sam Abuelsamid for guidehouse insights. Nicole Wakelin 0:38 And I am Nicole Wakelin from the fast woman podcast over at news Roberto Baldwin 0:45 and I am Roberto Baldwin from engadget. Sam Abuelsamid 0:49 Right. Nicole? What do you been driving? Nicole Wakelin 0:53 Hyundai's only Hyundai's all Hyundai's hot all day all the time. So I had a Hyundai in my driveway. I went to a Hyundai Drive Program. They swapped my car this morning. Guess what I got? And then Monday. Yeah, it's a Hyundai. I know shocking, right. So I have all Hyundai's what I actually drove last week was the 2020 Choose Hyundai Sonata endline, which is the fun Sinatra. I mean, all this not as a pretty decent sedan. But the base engine on a sonata is 191 horsepower, the endline 290 horsepower. It's a pretty big difference. I'll Roberto Baldwin 1:29 see you get more For those keeping track. Yeah. Nicole Wakelin 1:32 Thank you for the math. Sam Abuelsamid 1:34 Roberto. He knows greater than Nicole Wakelin 1:36 he knows greater than. So when you're getting the unlined, you're getting truly the sporty version. It's not one of those situations where it just looks that way. It actually has the horsepower to back it up. It handles that way. It. It's fun. I mean, it really is an aggressive and fun. Sedan. It was funny. I was driving it in heavy traffic and trying to get through this traffic and my husband's like, well, this thing kind of moves. Like I think he looked too mild mannered on the outside for him. And he's like, Wait, this seems like this is actually a cool car. I'm like, Yep, this is actually kind of a, this is a skier and just to sit in Nome by sedans anymore. Ooh, this was kind of fun. So I enjoy this. And I like kind of like the styling the way they did, like the lights on the front that it kind of travels up a little bit and sort of this little stripe that runs along like the hood and that where the fender meet. It's got some great styling, it's comfortable. It's quiet, it does all the city and stuff. It's comfortable, it's roomy, it's quiet. It has the right amenities inside, so that you know, passengers who is your focus when you have a city and can all you know have a nice experience, whether you're just driving around town, whether you're tackling the morning commute, or whether you've got like a genuine long distance road trip, it's nice and roomy, you can get comfortable in this, you've got a choice of three different engines altogether. But if you go with the online, you get that 2.5 liter turbocharged engine that really makes us more aggressive than you think you don't really think of sort of what looks like this, like mild mannered sedan is being something that's truly fun to drive. It is. And it's also not outrageously expensive, because one of the things that happens a lot of the time when you get into any kind of performance, anything, your normal version is a reasonable price. You either do the performance upgrade, whether it's just an appearance thing to make it look sporty, or engine or both. Suddenly, you broken the bank and it's no longer affordable card. This one not the case it was $34,840 as it sat in my driveway last week, that is not a lot for a sedan, that's a very reasonable price. And this thing had pretty much everything you could want. It's it's fully loaded. It's not like there's all this extra stuff that you're gonna go to want to add on there. It's got like Bose premium audio system. It has like, let's see a 12.3 inch digital like instrument cluster. It's got a 10.25 inch infotainment touchscreen. So it looks every bit the upscale car inside with little bits of red accents all over the place because we're Orange means you're ready to go off road. Red means you're ready to go fast. That's today's color. Theming in any car, they're off their little offer diversions get orange, they're fast versions get red. Sam Abuelsamid 4:19 So the curiosity, you said that that was the price is it sat in your driveway. Does it price change when you want to lose your driveway? Nicole Wakelin 4:25 Only if you get a ticket? It could. Roberto Baldwin 4:31 Yes, I think it's Nicole Wakelin 4:33 yes. I think the only extra on there too. For the online I there was one extra on this. It was $195 it was included in that price that I quoted. It was carpeted floor mats. So apparently they spring an extra basically 200 bucks. You get fancy and line floor mats to go on there which I would buy because they look cool. Like if you're going for the whole inline thing, make the whole thing look cool. Get the walnuts. Why not? It's 200 bucks. There's practically nothing thing in the world of you know cars, cars and delivery Wait, here's your, your destination how much you think the destination was guys guesses? guesses. 1100 bucks. Roberto Baldwin 5:09 You're too high. Really 995 Nicole Wakelin 5:13 You're too low 1045 Garnet in the middle. So Sam Abuelsamid 5:17 So Roberto when Zeland by Price is Right rule so he does $1 Nicole Wakelin 5:22 He wins by Price is Right rules. So I mean and I like I generally am a feel pretty positively about most of Hyundai's vehicles, like there's little quibbles here and there but I like their vehicles because I feel like they managed to pack everything you want into the car. It does what it's built to do, whether it's an SUV or whether it's a sedan or whether it's something sporty or like velociter it does what it's supposed to do at a price that makes it still affordable. And you're not sitting there thinking I really, I thought I was getting one thing I got another order make it really what I want to make it I've got to add on $10,000 worth of random bits and pieces to make it seem like the car they're trying to sell me. So I liked the Sonata end line. I'm a fan of you guys driven Sam Abuelsamid 6:07 it. I have not driven the Sonata inline the regular old Nicole Wakelin 6:11 Sonata just the regular old snot I have Roberto Baldwin 6:14 done the Kona inline and that was fun. tastic Nicole Wakelin 6:18 fantastic. Sam Abuelsamid 6:19 I was I was supposed to have a Kona inline this or Kona inline this week. But they swapped it at the last minute. Hyundai apparently needed it for something. And so they sent me Ionic and ionic five instead. Okay, that's Nicole Wakelin 6:34 a good. Yeah, I feel like you I don't think you suffered Roberto Baldwin 6:36 really. Nicole Wakelin 6:40 So that was so that is basically the you know, the lowdown on the Hyundai Sonata inline if you're looking for nice, roomy sedan, but you want to have a little bit more oomph than what you have in the rest of the Sonata lineup. Because there's 191 horsepower base engine. On the on the SE and the SEL. There's a turbocharged engine, so you get the turbo thing that's 180 horsepower that you can get. And then there's this 290 horsepower at 2.5 liter turbocharged four cylinder. This is the fun one. This is the one where the fun lifts. But I also in my it's all Hyundai all the time. Spend some time in Nashville, Tennessee, Tennessee, where I'm really sad. I didn't get any Nashville hot chicken. I feel like I missed the boat. I did not get that while I was down there. I did get biscuits and lots of jelly at loveless Cafe, which was delicious. But we were driving all the electrified stuff. They it was just an electrified Drive Program. So we had the ionic five that you have sitting in your driveway, Sam, we had akoni Evie, which you have sitting in your driveway all the time, Roberto. And then we also had the Tucson and the Santa Fe plug in hybrids. And we did it on a drive route where we it was only a one day program. So we got like a small amount of time in each one. So you took those four cards, you divided them up over one drive route. And the idea was really just to sort of showcase all of their electric vehicles. We've talked about the ionic five a lot, Sam, I know you're gonna talk about it more. I liked the ionic five. I think it's good. That Kona though, man that thing was fun. Now I know why you drive that Roberto, that was a fun. That's a fun little car. Roberto Baldwin 8:17 You say it's fun. tastic it's fantastic. Nicole Wakelin 8:19 I I think I don't know why I was just as like, Okay, fine. Whatever, I'll drive to Kona, Roberto Baldwin 8:26 Roberto got bad, bad. Whatever. Nicole Wakelin 8:29 He doesn't know what he's talking about. I don't know why even listen to the guy but okay, fine. I'll drive the car. And I drove it. It was really fun. And I had it in this. Like, it was blue. I don't know what the color was. But it was so bright. It was like you needed sunglasses to look at this blue. This is really, really bright blue. So it was striking. You could find it in the parking lot. So you know, the amik five, great. Like, as they say it's an SUV. I don't know, I'm gonna argue SUV crossover. It's in that small squished SUV category. That should be a big Roberto Baldwin 8:59 hatchback. It's a big hatchback. Nicole Wakelin 9:01 I like that. Sam Abuelsamid 9:02 If you call it a hatchback, nobody will buy it correctly. Roberto Baldwin 9:06 We know what it is. Nicole Wakelin 9:07 Yeah. If you call it a hatchback, no one's gonna buy it. But basically, that's what it is. It's a it's a big hatchback. And it does that great. The Kona is actually really tiny little thing. It's really fun. I thoroughly enjoyed driving it. We had some nice little twisty roads they put us on outside of Nashville. And then the Tucson in the Santa Fe the plug in hybrids. They were good as well. I think the thing that you walk away from most after spending time driving for different vehicles to plugins to EVs that are you know, from a It's not like this is an Eevee company. You know, this is a company they build all kinds of cars and all kinds of other stuff that you walk away thinking it's neat to see that electric vehicles are electrified vehicles don't feel different in weird ways than just driving something with a gas engine. You know, you get more torque when you hit the gas or hit the accelerator on an Eevee that sort of instant In torque, but you don't think about the fact that you're driving something that doesn't have a gas engine under the hood, you don't think about the fact that you're driving on the plugin, something that you can plug in and get, you know, some electric range, the time that you really notice it in all the best ways possible is when you're someplace quietly, you roll down the windows, you're driving on sort of a side road with an Eevee, you hear nothing. And it's kind of glorious. And the same thing for that the limited amount of range on a plugin. So I think it did a good job just being on this program of sort of proving that if you think that electrified stuff is still kind of weird and out there, and it's going to be a negative, and it's going to be different enough that you're going to sort of miss the things that you like about driving something that's purely gas powered, you probably aren't going to I mean, there really is a lot to be offered by all of these vehicles. And this is just from one manufacturer for vehicles from one manufacturer. And there's EVs coming out from everybody right now. And there's plug in hybrids coming out from everybody. So I think it was an interesting program, it was neat to see that Hyundai took the time to just say we're going to showcase just this. This all we're going to talk about is just electrics and nothing else. So I had the, you know, very non electric Hyundai Sonata and line and then the very electrified everything else. So it was it was an interesting program. And I appreciated that they gave us the opportunity to drive them. Yeah. Roberto Baldwin 11:29 Oh, by the way, that blue is the one we own. We went out of our way to find Nicole Wakelin 11:32 a way you have that blue. That blue is awesome. I loved it. I'm like, Roberto Baldwin 11:37 black when at the Hyundai dealership, like, a few miles from our house. Yeah, I just kept looking until I found was like 45 minutes from our houses were in so we went all the way out there to get it. It's really Nicole Wakelin 11:48 cool. It's such a cute little car to have it in that really bright color. It's it's awesome. I loved it. It's easy to Roberto Baldwin 11:55 find in a parking lot. Nicole Wakelin 11:57 You're never gonna lose. You're like where did I park? Wait, that's me glowing in the corner. There I am. Yep. Sam Abuelsamid 12:04 All right. Robbie, what about you? Roberto Baldwin 12:07 Oh, no, I didn't know it's my turn. Next. I had the so I went to Germany. And I drove the BMW i x m 60. This is the M version of their IX electric SUV. I drove it. I drove it around Berlin. Then I drove from Berlin to Munich and then from Munich all the way down to Lake Como in Italy. Where apparently Who's that guy? George Clooney? I guess. Yeah. And then someone was saying something about Kardashians or something. That was a wedding. Nicole Wakelin 12:40 One of the I just literally saw that. And I was like, Hey, I think that's what everyone was doing that little drive program. I heard that she got married. Roberto Baldwin 12:47 Yeah, someone got married down there. I don't know. I don't I don't know about either of those other things. But I do know about you. I XM six Sam Abuelsamid 12:54 means you didn't hang out with George and here's Roberto Baldwin 12:56 what I did not I did not. I did drive the vehicle for a very long time. It has it's an all wheel drive. It is quick. It is very much a proper SUV M powered SUV. I think BMW i drove the I four m 50. At the same time I drove the regular. You drove it for 40 Last year, anyway, when I did I did and yeah, I think BMW a they've done a really good job with both of these EVs and they did a really good job making them both AMS has five 500 610 horsepower as a range of about 280 miles which I will tell you that we there was no way we ever got that good of rage because we're driving on the autobahn. And because driving on the autobahn, and you're American and you're in a sport SUV that just happens to be an Eevee you're driving at 200 miles an hour all the time. No, so we're doing you know has a top speed. I think it's 250 which is really what they're 50 Yeah, so the also the electronically limited speed limit is 155 miles an hour, which no one in America should be driving anywhere on the roads. I got this up to 120 miles an hour on the autobahn. Somewhere around I would say 110 115 It does get a little floaty, Nicole Wakelin 14:27 a little squirrely Roberto Baldwin 14:31 squirrel squirrely just it just seems to float a little bit more than than then you want for something that's going that fast. Sam Abuelsamid 14:38 Price for an M model that it would Yeah, it's Roberto Baldwin 14:41 also well it's a it's tall. B It's heavy. Yeah. At some point you have to like yeah, you have to take the those sort of things just sort of you can I could have gotten into it's 200 for the kilometer an hour if I really wanted to, but I didn't because a no one should be driving the M Yeah, I'm 60 Or I XM 60. At 120 miles an hour in the United States. And I don't think anyone who buys in the United States is ever gonna. Even that fast, I'm sure one or two people, but for the most part, everyone's gonna be doing maybe 90. Sam Abuelsamid 15:14 Yeah, I mean, you know, this is obviously going to be people's Track Day special. Roberto Baldwin 15:18 Yeah, no one's gonna be tracking the i x m 60. It is quick, though. I mean, it's 111 pound feet of torque, which is, yeah, you stop on that you stop on the accelerator, and it'll tell you, it'll snap your head back. It, yeah, it still has a lot, you know, it's essentially the interiors, it's the same as the eye x, it's very future looking. It has the crystal controls for the dope, not for the doors, the crystal controls for your chairs. And then the crystal, you know, that little round, the I drive controller, I drive, that's a crystal. And when the sun tested just right, it shoots a rainbow in your eye. It still has that wood area around it. So it has little buttons there and there. And so it looks really classy. There are some weird things that I still am not a fan of with the latest version of the DRI system, which is on this vehicle, when you hit the mode button in the little wood area. It doesn't like it doesn't go through the modes, it just brings up all three modes on the screen, and then you have to pick one, there's like efficiency, there's like regular. And then there's sport, you have to actually hit one of those on the screen, which on the touchscreen on the touch screen. And then once you do that, it's a little background art for that. That shows up on the screen and it doesn't just go away and back to let's say you're using navigation or whatever. It just stays there. Now you get hit the mode again, and it's supposed to go well. But you have to go back and you know, hit the navigation button and go back to that. It's really weird. I don't understand why that is the way. I mean, I know why ended up being like that. Because it is part of the touchscreen as opposed to just hitting the mode button two times the switch mode. You have to hit it and then go to the HUD screen. Yeah, that's I don't like that. Sam Abuelsamid 17:16 I wonder if that's just a pre production software glitch or something? No, Roberto Baldwin 17:19 no, it was on the ix two, I drove the ix earlier. Yeah. Nice try. No, no, that's it's a thing. But they can do an over the air update and fix it because they're gonna do an over the air update and add two more moods to the vehicle. They're not drive modes. They're just sort of atmospheric modes. Like they'll change the ambient light and they'll change the sounds and stuff. One is relaxation, and the other is something else. I can't remember. I think it's like excitement or enthusiasm or something. But yeah, it'll get to more modes that are essentially I guess, regular mode, but they have different sort of like ambient lights and you know when you're driving I'll make fun noises if you're if you're a fan of fun noises when your car's driving. Yeah, this theory was nice for you know, it's still a large vehicle we went up the Swiss Alps did some some pretty crazy switchbacks on a road that was you know, it was it was it was two lanes, but really just one lane. One of those roads, one of those roads, if you ever drive in Europe, you'll one day you'll be on a road and you're like oh wow, this roads really really narrow. Nicole Wakelin 18:31 which guarantees a box truck is going to try to pass you drive into this ditch. I'm good. I'm good. Roberto Baldwin 18:38 We were gonna do it. We were coming up to a place to do a driver swap and right before we got there, there, you know, switch back to get to the to the buildings. And there was a suddenly there was a Prius. Right. So it's definitely not a road you can like really just go hog wild i But you're I was able to, you know, we were able to determine that the aisle will stay in does in fact make it easier to get around those roads. Those switchbacks are super, super, super tight, and far tighter than what you would probably see on a majority of us roads. If these were I don't know how people with bigger vehicles were doing it. And yeah, it was it was a good drive we got and we got to charge it, which is the you never get to do on a drive program. Mostly you when you go to Drive Program. There's the car, here's all along you'll, you know, if it has, let's say the car has 300 miles of range, they'll give you the car for 2020 miles over you know 220 miles or they'll like oh hey, let's have a nice long lunch and they'll run off and charge the cars for you. You'll get back in the cars and they're all you know they got another 20 30% added on this program because it was essentially two long days of driving. And we were driving very very fast because you know, autobahn. Anyway, we got to we got to go to charging stations and this charges that 195. So it's still 400 volt systems that you know, I still wish that Mercedes and BMW would jump over to 800 volt but we got I think 185 189 a one of the stations, so it charges pretty quickly. It's not really that long of a wait, I went and got some weird McDonald's food, because I was in another country and I never eat McDonald's. Yeah, no, it's still big, it's still the design is still polarizing, and the vehicle still drives really nice. And for the most part, I like the interior, like the new infotainment system, except for a few little issues like that, that drive mood things. It's really bugs me. Sam Abuelsamid 20:44 How much is the M 60? going to cost? Roberto Baldwin 20:47 Oh, I'm sorry, it will cost 100 511 out of $5,100 destination fee. 995. So that's where your that's where you're saving some money. It's even cheaper than Hyundai. 1000 bucks. It's worth $10 Yeah, yeah. Nothing. Sam Abuelsamid 21:05 And what have they said what the EPA range is going to be? Roberto Baldwin 21:09 Yeah, that was the 280. Okay, that's their estimated EPA. That's their target. We never got we didn't we there's no way we're gonna get to that when you're doing 200 miles an hour on the road, you're just melting. You're essentially just burning through electrons like like a wild man. And then, you know, on the back on the way when we were going to the mountains, because we weren't driving some crazy amount and all the way down. When you are regenerative braking the maximum, it'll send 220 kilowatts back to the battery. So it's got pretty good regenerative braking systems got one, one pedal brake, and it has adaptive braking, which I did not like until this car. So they have adaptive regenerative braking, which I've used on the i x and the i Four. And I talked to them, they're like, yeah, they probably updated they, we've been updating stuff. So I believe that they've updated because on the i x and the i Four that I've driven, it always felt inconsistent. The way it works is like adaptive cruise control, you know, as you come to a car, it'll, you know, it'll slow down with adaptive braking. It determines like, based on the vehicles in front of you and the road conditions and, and the road itself, how much regenerative braking that it'll, it'll implement. And it always felt a little like sometimes I'm like, Oh, it'll do a lot of regenerative braking and it didn't and then sometimes it did a lot more than I anticipated. But now with the ix M 60, it feels like they've done it better. And this was a pre production model. So I'm guessing that probably has the latest software for that so something that I didn't like actually end up using for most of the drive so so good job BMW for making something that I didn't like Nicole Wakelin 22:51 I actually like now like in less Sam Abuelsamid 22:53 than a year I was like they probably reduced or limited you know how much it can change you know, from based on the conditions you know, so it's more consistent Roberto Baldwin 23:04 Yeah, and I think that they they just fine tune on how you know the roads and you know, others corner coming up. Let's adjust this. Oh, it's this. Yeah. You know, all these over the air updates mean, your car's just it's evolving. Well, it's in the driveway. Nicole Wakelin 23:22 Excellent. Just evolves while you sleep. Roberto Baldwin 23:25 Just sits evolves while you sleep. Isn't that you get up in the morning, there's an update or like, hey, what's what new thing I have now? Or like, oh, we gave you a new sticker. Sam Abuelsamid 23:35 All right. Well, I had the Toyota Tundra for buy for limited crew, Max 5.5. So that is, that's the new the new tundra, the the completely redesigned tundra that came out last year, four wheel drive, Crew Max, the crew cab, and this is the one with the shorter five and a half foot bed, you can also get it with a six and a half foot bed. And this one is this year for the new tundra. It's only got two powertrain options. In the past, they've had a naturally aspirated V six and a V V eight engine. This year, they've kind of gone down the Ford route and ditched the naturally aspirated engines altogether. So you have the option of either a 3.5 liter twin turbo V six that has 389 horsepower, and 479 pounds feet of torque, which is I think, slightly less power and slightly more torque than the similar 3.5 liter EcoBoost and an F 150. But overall, it's an it's not, not a whole lot of difference between the two. They're pretty, pretty comparable. And or the other option is that same engine with a hybrid and it's a similar type of hybrid architecture to what you get with the f1 50 where the motor is in between the engine and the transmission in place of the torque converter, I had the just the the non hybrid version which was interesting to have right after having the hybrid f150. You know and I talked about the f150 last time, the fuel economy I got with the hybrid F 150 was not particularly impressive. It came fell short well short of the label value 23 miles per gallon I got I had like 19 and a half with that one. This tundra is rated at 17 miles per gallon city 22 highway 19 combined. And I got just over 17 with it. So it also fell well short. And I wasn't driving it particularly aggressive. And I didn't didn't haul any mulch this time. No moss Roberto Baldwin 25:54 wasn't really even a test. I know. Nicole Wakelin 25:57 Did you even drive it? Sam Abuelsamid 25:58 Did you know while I drove it to, you know, to go to Farmington Hills to drive the new Nissan Z? Fair? Yeah, no, I did, I did a fair amount of driving with it driving around town some highway driving. And, you know, the fuel economy was just, you know, kind of unimpressive. You know, considering, you know, part of the reason for going with these more modern engines is they're supposed to be more fuel efficient. And, frankly, it was not that efficient. What Roberto Baldwin 26:28 well, is it because the engine isn't that efficient? Or is it because they decided to do what everyone else was has done, essentially just put a billboard on the front of their truck, therefore define all logic when it comes to their dynamic? Sam Abuelsamid 26:42 Well, there is that I'm sure that's part of it. But I mean, that factors into the EPA liberal values too. And you know, those, you know, didn't even couldn't even manage, you couldn't even manage to match that. So, one of the weird things about this is this is one of the first non hybrid Toyota vehicles that I've had that has auto stop, start. And usually, when, when you have a vehicle with auto stop, start, when the system is engaged, when you come when the vehicle comes to a stop, when you've got your foot on the brake, the engine turns off, when you take your foot off the brake, the engine restarts, no problem. What was strange with this one, is, if you if you if normal driving conditions, you know, you're usually not really hard on the brake, you know, you're, you're put your foot on the brake, you coasting down to a stop in a vehicle stops, you would expect the auto stop start to switch off the engine. In fact, what comes on there's a message on the on the cluster, you know, with a little icon, indicating the brake pedal and a foot on the brake pedal. And if you want the engine to stop, you actually have to press down harder on the brake pedal to get the engine to stop, and then you have to hold it down. Because if you release that pressure at all, and it's a fair amount of pressure to get the engine to shut off, as soon as you let up on that brake pressure at all the engine restarts, which is really kind of a strange system. I've never Roberto Baldwin 28:13 that's a weird string of weird. Z work. Sam Abuelsamid 28:17 Yeah. You know, I mean, I think it seems like it seems like what they're trying to do, because a lot of people don't like auto stop start. And so most manufacturers, a lot Nicole Wakelin 28:27 of people does anybody not? Who doesn't hate it? Sam Abuelsamid 28:31 Well, it depends on the depends on the vehicle. On some vehicles, it's fine. Like, like, Roberto Baldwin 28:36 mild hybrids, it's totally fine. Yeah, I don't like hybrid on hybrids and mild hybrids, it's totally fine. Because because the electric engine like starts moving before that. So the electric motor keeps get you going. And then the engine catches up. Yeah, on regular cars is sort of like, Sam Abuelsamid 28:54 just like so. You know, I'm most vehicles with auto stop, start, you know, the manufacturers will put a switch, you know, that lets you disable it. So if you don't want it, you just hit the switch, and it disables it. In this case, they've kind of I think what they've done is they've kind of they've done this in order to try to give you on demand disabled capability. So if you don't press hard on the brake pedal, it's not going to shut off the engine. And if you want it to shut off the engine, you have to basically press harder, which is seems like a weird way to go. And I think most people are probably never, never going to press that hard on the brake pedal and hold it down, while the while the truck is stopped at an intersection or red light, you know, long enough to actually keep the engine off. So that was a little strange. Other stuff like the it's got the Toyota Safety Sense to a das package. So it's got adaptive cruise control, lane centering, blind spot monitoring, all that good stuff. All that work fine. Works really well. Um, no, no issues there. The infotainment is the latest generation of Toyotas infotainment system, which we've talked about before. It's a much, much, much improved version system from the previous Antoon systems, the interface is much nicer. It's got a 14 inch center touchscreen, it's got support for wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. There's a wireless charging pad, a QI charging pad for charging your phone, so you can put it down on there. One, one thing that I complained about before when we drove the Toyota Bz 4x Is that with the system, when you're using basically, you can only get one thing up on the screen at a time, even though you've got a 14 inch display, that could easily show you, you know, nav bubble and your media player controls, you can't do that. You can see the map, or you can see the media player controls or you can see, you know, there are other settings, but only one of those pick and choose Nicole Wakelin 31:05 one one and only one Roberto Baldwin 31:07 lesson if the Olden two was so bad, we should just be happy. Sam Abuelsamid 31:12 Oh, no, you're right. I mean, this is a huge, huge, absolutely no, no complaint there. And, and the voice control actually works pretty well with this one. And you know, when when I drove the BZ for x, you know, I asked him about this, this kind of weird setup where he you know, it can't show two things on the screen at once. And they said, Well, you can just use use voice, you know, to pause the music while you've got the nav up, things like that, or to change the volume. So, and that to the crash, that stuff actually does work pretty well on here. So it's not it's not a total loss. But, you know, I, you know, for me, I like to have the media player controls and the map up there at the same time. And if you use Android Auto or CarPlay that's actually what you get, you know, so I've got a screenshot, Roberto Baldwin 32:04 I keep hitting that little button until it shows all three things. And I'm like, there you go. Yeah, now I can see what I'm listening to. I can see my directions. Now. Nicole Wakelin 32:12 Let's see everything all at once. Yeah, there's all the things. Yep. Sam Abuelsamid 32:17 So that's a, that's a relatively minor quibble. Because I think the reality is, most people probably are going to use have their phone connected and use that, you know, the design, you know, we talked about it before, it's it's very, very designed. It's very styled. It's designed, this is not a dull looking truck. You know, the, the grill? Well, you know, if you don't like BMWs new grills, you're probably not gonna be a big fan of this one. I'm like, God, it's it's ginormous, a lot, it's a lot of grill. Aside from that, most of the rest of it, you know, the truck actually drives really well I thought, you know, the, in most instances, I found that the, the ride quality was actually slightly better than what I got with the f150. And, you know, the, the tundra does have coil spring rear suspension, like the, like the Ram 1500 Stu. So that's, I think that helps. You know, it felt very stable, steering felt decent. It's very roomy, it doesn't have you know, some of the cool features that you get on the F 150. Like the pro power on board with all the plugs in the in the bed, things like that, you can't get that on here. And, you know, no, no fancy tailgates or steps in the tailgate, things like that. It's more basic, you know, when it comes to some of those features, but overall, the things that Toyota has done, they've, you know, aside from the styling, they've generally executed quite well on. So the the tundra starts at about $35,000 for the the extended cab shortbed rear wheel drive, the limited Crewmax four wheel drive that I had, with the TRD package on there, came to a grand total of scroll over $60,188 $1,000 It Roberto Baldwin 34:25 doesn't have a little step in the bed. Sam Abuelsamid 34:29 Well, it's cheaper than the $83,000 f150 hybrid platinum I had. That's true. So take what how much do you think it costs to ship this thing from San Antonio to wherever your local Toyota dealer Unknown Speaker 34:42 is? 1995 1450 Sam Abuelsamid 34:45 Robbie once again 1695. Nicole Wakelin 34:49 Gonna make him go first. Next time we just pick a lower. Roberto Baldwin 34:52 That's a good that's a good that's a good yeah, that's what you want to be at the end of the meeting. Want to be at the end they can be $1 Sam Abuelsamid 34:59 One day Like what? Oh, I guess what one other thing about the way this thing looks, it did have the $3,000 TRD Off Road package, which has been 20 inch wheels and everything. But it doesn't, right, it doesn't sit particularly high, like a lot of times, you know, you get a car 84 or an F 150, tremor, something like that, they're actually quite a bit, they seem to sit quite a bit higher. And this one did not. I forgot to check with the ground clearances, but it seems like it's quite a bit lower on its wheels than most other full size trucks with an off road package too. So, but you know, that's, that's neither here nor there. So that's, that's the 2022 Tundra limited. Roberto Baldwin 35:44 I mean, it doesn't have a fancy tailgate, but you know, in like 40 years, this thing will still be running. Sam Abuelsamid 35:49 That's true. Yeah. As long as you change the oil and stuff, this thing will probably run a million miles without too much difficulty Nicole Wakelin 35:55 ever die. So the end of the time, until the end of time, you'll have a forever Sam Abuelsamid 35:59 or a tree falls on it. Or go Nicole Wakelin 36:05 have a big dent. It'll go it'll just go a little crooked. Roberto Baldwin 36:07 Go and actually get off, take it off. Sam Abuelsamid 36:13 Okay, let's see what else we got this week. Oh, Porsche showed off a new came in GT four in Europe, called The Seven 718 came in GT for E performance. This is an electric version of the Cayman GT four. And all I think in MAX power mode puts out a little over 1000 horsepower. This is basically using the the electric powertrain stuff that they had in the mission, our concept last year. And this thing is really fast. It's got comparable performance to a GT three cup car and not 11 GT three cup. And with the battery that's in there, it will run for about 30 minutes, which is long enough to run a typical 911 cup GT three cup race. That sounds like there's a pretty decent chance that they might build these and do another single make series like the 911 911 Cup Carrera cup series. Unknown Speaker 37:27 So you're gonna buy one? Sam Abuelsamid 37:30 Probably not? No, no, I don't think my pockets are quite deep enough to to swing this one. I don't Nicole Wakelin 37:37 think many pockets are deep enough to quite swing this one. Most pockets are far too shallow. Sam Abuelsamid 37:46 But apparently, I guess the next generation came in and Boxster are going to be electric. They're ditching the internal combustion engines and are going electric. And so this is kind of a preview of what to expect from knows. And the the link to the story in the drive that I'll have in the show notes, includes a video from Chris Harris where he got to drive this thing. And he was quite impressed. He liked it a lot. Roberto Baldwin 38:16 I can imagine I mean, the TT icon is so great. And the idea that they're going to put this on in the Cayman, and the Boxsters. Like, okay, well, then, if anyone's not going to mess this up, it's going to be Porsche, they're going to like, they're going to make sure that when you get into that get came in the electric Cayman, it's going to be a Cayman, it's going to be exactly what you expect it to be. It's just going to be electric. Just it'll be a little bit quieter, and have a lot more torque. Sam Abuelsamid 38:48 Actually, if you watch the video in here, this thing actually makes a fair bit of noise, but it's not like traditional and yeah, Porsche boxer engine noise. It's it sounds more like a Formula E car. It's got that wine. Roberto Baldwin 39:04 I talked to Lamborghini about this about sound. And they they're trying to figure out for their first electric Lamborghini how to do sound that's natural from an electric motor. They don't want to like have like piped in sound they're trying to figure out how to make Sam Abuelsamid 39:22 like a noisy electric motor. Yeah, like a Roberto Baldwin 39:24 noisy electric motor that that for Lamborghini. So they're still they're working on it. They don't they don't know exactly what they're going to do. But there it's something that they're actually researching. So I can see if that works out for Lamborghini, if it comes out. Everyone's like, ooh, that I think other automakers will probably start looking into it. And since Porsche and Lamborghini are both owned by the Volkswagen Group, I could see Porsche should be like, well, if they figure it out, we can just tweak it to our to our own needs. Yeah. All right. Sam Abuelsamid 39:56 Let's see. Honda released a teaser image Have the 2024 prologue, their first new Eevee for North America. It's a SUV can't tell if it's a three row or a two row looks like it's you know, roughly pilot size. And this is going to be built by GM along with an Acura on the same platform on the GM Altium platform. What do you guys think of this? Nicole Wakelin 40:25 Is this just this one image? Am I missing something else in here? Sam Abuelsamid 40:28 Just the one image. Nicole Wakelin 40:29 Okay, this is a weird image or the car is weird. That's what I think. Sam Abuelsamid 40:35 It does look like it's got a very low greenhouse. Nicole Wakelin 40:41 Okay, you've ever taken a picture of a car and you mean to edit it down like to chop out the sides. And then like, like extraneous images on the side of your vehicle. When you take a picture and you accidentally forget to keep it tell it to keep it's like, Don't stretch it out really long. Don't really bad. It looks like you didn't whoop and you stretched it like four feet in either direction. Like oh, no, wait, undo that. Let's get back real proper car dimensions. And just it's it looks like you just squished like took your hand on the roof and you went and then it just went out. I'm not wrong. Roberto Baldwin 41:17 That's right. It's like a fisheye lens. Yeah, it doesn't like a wide angle. Nicole Wakelin 41:24 Why would they do that? That's one of those things when you do and you take a picture like oops, Roberto Baldwin 41:27 it's a teaser image that's Sam Abuelsamid 41:29 a sketch I mean, it's not even a full CGI render of it. I can't No i the front end looks kind of like the new Civic. Roberto Baldwin 41:40 Yeah, it's just I wish they kind of pre lewd instead. Nicole Wakelin 41:45 Yeah. Oh, I'm with you. Prelude yay Roberto Baldwin 41:48 you know everyone's probably not gonna I don't I don't think it'll be a third row I think it'll be a two row because they're trying to you know the the Volkswagen wouldn't bring the ID three over here because they wanted to make sure that the first vehicle they got over here sold a lot and Honda I mean Hyundai got rid of the the fit just so they could get more CRV sales. The Fit was doing pretty well. It wasn't an SUV. So yeah, they're gonna go for that tomorrow. They're gonna go for that to that sweet spot small two row SUV that everyone or at least that's what they're hoping everyone will buy. And I you know, I will just say that I'm I'm very sad that they referenced the Honda in the first paragraph of this press release. Sam Abuelsamid 42:31 Yeah. But they won't Roberto Baldwin 42:33 sell Honda II. I'm sorry Honda II Honda. The Honda is the guy from Street Fighter Street Fighter. The Honda II about the same size by the way on the Honda and the Honee are about the same size. They referenced the Honda II in the first paragraph of this press release and they were refused to bring it over here. And I'm still very very bitter about Sam Abuelsamid 42:57 that. Angry Well yeah, I mean the first the first bullet point on here styling completed at Honda design studio in Los Angeles shows hint of Honda II. It doesn't look anything like a Honda you know? Roberto Baldwin 43:09 And if you're so proud of the Honda II make it global. Come on. Yeah. Don't Don't Don't Don't Don't be like that Honda. Don't do it like that. Don't do that. Or how about I don't know, a refresh of the Honda II with LTM I don't know something. Just bring us a second gen. They're never gonna bring him we're gonna get this instead. This is going to be the first and Han is super super conservative about what they'll sell sell and won't sell and it has to sell one bazillion units in order for them to keep it on the market. Nicole Wakelin 43:38 Is that an official Can you give a source for the one bazillion units Roberto Baldwin 43:42 it's the guy from St. Mary to nicely 1000 hand slap he's like by the way we have to say it 1000 hand slap billet gazillion cars so cars are not building it. You could have a Honda Fit hybrid right now but we don't think that would be Honda Fit. It's like a it's like a TARDIS there's room on the inside and you know Sam Abuelsamid 44:10 it's sad but not enough Americans want to buy those. Roberto Baldwin 44:14 I they would have sold. No they did sell they sold a lot of them. They just didn't sell as many Nicole Wakelin 44:20 he didn't sell the I forgot the number already bazillion was that it did not sell the clear bazillion required to make it a process especially Roberto Baldwin 44:28 when you think about it now with prices with gas prices being so high like the honda fit like once if the dealers were selling I'm like oh by the way you can put all the all the stuff you can put on the car is CRV, you can put in the back of this car as well. People like oh, and I could save gas. Sam Abuelsamid 44:47 So speaking of small EVs, the Nissan sicura or Sakara not sure how it's pronounced. This is a new a new K Electric kei car that Nissan has just launched, along with Mitsubishi in Japan. What do you guys think of this one? Roberto Baldwin 45:10 They didn't bring this car to him to the United States. Just bring it here, okay, it's okay, it's price below $14,000. In Japan, let's say all the stuff, you have to do it to make it American, it goes up to, I don't know, 16 17,000, then you put the tax credit on it, you could get an Eevee that has an whether it's in 112 miles range, 90 miles of range EPA, they just cruise around town, you guys Nicole Wakelin 45:35 this little tiny rose, which is adorable. It has 63 horsepower, fixing, Sam Abuelsamid 45:42 just turning 15.7 feet, Nicole Wakelin 45:46 you know, go 80 miles an hour you Sam Abuelsamid 45:49 could do, you could do a u turn in a typical residential street, you could Roberto Baldwin 45:53 do the U turn in the back of the Toyota Tundra. Nicole Wakelin 45:58 Just right in the bed. Roberto Baldwin 46:01 I think there's a there is a market for these really tiny cars in the United States, if you can get them. I mean, $14,000 that is cheap. And here, you know, it's going to be more expensive, because but just for the tax credit on that, I think a lot of people would be very happy to be like, Oh, I can get a little Eevee that just for driving around town, that I could go to the store and pick stuff up in like sorta dogs in the back. I could pick the kids up from school for under $10,000 Sam Abuelsamid 46:34 as opposed to the Mini Cooper se, which also has 110 mile range, but it costs more than twice as much. Yeah, well, I Roberto Baldwin 46:42 mean, this range is WL TP. So this is not a real range. This is a fake. Still, I mean, I'm gonna say I'm gonna say like 85 miles of range. Sam Abuelsamid 46:53 Probably closer to 90, maybe 95. Roberto Baldwin 46:56 Well, I'll be speeding everywhere. I just got sport mode. Sam Abuelsamid 47:01 Well, it's only got 63 horsepower. Nicole Wakelin 47:04 I mean, the most you can get as 80 You can't even get the code as fast as the car will let you you're speeding tickets to the bed. Roberto Baldwin 47:13 And you're gonna save money on electricity because it's only got like a 20 kilowatt hour pack. So it charges in like a second Unknown Speaker 47:20 and a half a second. Yeah. You're not charged the cost Roberto Baldwin 47:23 of the car is under $10,000. And you're never gonna get a ticket because there's no way you're gonna Nicole Wakelin 47:30 go that fast. Roberto Baldwin 47:32 Everything. Why? Why don't we have this? Come on? Unknown Speaker 47:35 Why don't we have this? This would be fun. Do you think they'll give it to us? No, no, because? Because last chance Sam Abuelsamid 47:41 Yeah, somebody's coming up behind it in a Tundra will never even see it. Just drive right over it. Roberto Baldwin 47:47 Yeah, but they can't see me in my BRC either in their tundra. That's true. Or mini cooper or that's more of a problem with the trucks than with us. Sam Abuelsamid 47:58 Yeah, absolutely. All right. A new documentary came up on Friday on Hulu. It was published by The New York Times. And it's called Elon Musk's Crash Course. Neither of you have a chance to watch it. Roberto Baldwin 48:18 Now I wasn't I was in Europe. No, Nicole Wakelin 48:21 it did not. Sam Abuelsamid 48:22 Okay. Well, I did I got a screener for it and watched it. They spend a lot of time talking to Joshua Brown's friends. Joshua Brown is the guy who died in the first he was the first known fatality and an autopilot crash. Back in May of 2016. A truck a semi was made a left turn in front of him. He was an autopilot and not paying attention. And the car the system did not recognize that the truck was not a bridge and just kept right on driving 70 plus miles an hour and slice the top off the car, turned it into a convertible and there have been multiple other crashes over the years where people have died while using autopilot. The the direction of the filmmakers you know they they talked to a few former Tesla Autopilot engineers to talk to Neil badet and Cade Metz from the times. Both very good reporters. I know both of them, you know, the stuff they said absolutely spot on. But, you know, they also spent, I think an inordinate amount of time talking about Josh Brown, you know, and talking with his friends about you know why he was so gung ho on testing autopilot and everything you know, it's like it doesn't none of that matters. It's irrelevant to the story really. And you know, they they did talk to Robert some wall the floor Former Chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board, and another member of the board whose name escapes me at the moment. And what after the Josh brown crash NTSB, and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration did an extensive investigation into what happened. And the NTSB, as we've said before, they don't have any regulatory authority or enforcement authority. They're an investigative body that looks into accidents with aviation, rail, marine and ground vehicles. And then they investigate and make recommendations. And they made a bunch of really good recommendations after this crash, like systems like this should be geo fenced to divided highways only. They should have robust driver monitor systems, and there was a bunch of other things, but those are probably the two most important. And, you know, they talked to the NTSB, and they talked about what their recommendations were. But the only person they talked to from NITSA was the former communications director there. And he didn't say much and didn't really defend why NITSA, you know, basically did nothing. And why, you know, for in the NITSA report, you know, they actually cited data that they got from Tesla, that autopilot reduced incidence of crashes by 40%, which, you know, they didn't actually get the fall raw data from Tesla. And by the time that somebody did, you know, was able to go through the whole Freedom of Information Act requests, or rather, they got the data from Tesla, but they didn't publish it. They only published the, you know, that statement that it reduced crashes by 40%. And somebody didn't, you know, was doing an investigation into that and spent like two and a half years, trying to get that data from NITSA. They, when they finally got it, they started diving into it. And it published a big, long report on it. It turns out, it was all bogus. Most of the data was useless. And you know, what data there was that actually demonstrated, you know, how effective autopilot was, versus, versus not autopilot, actually showed that it had more crashes rather than the last one. So, you know, the filmmakers really missed an opportunity to really look into what happened at NITSA. Why didn't NITSA not do anything back in 2016, when they had the opportunity to and subsequently didn't do still haven't done anything. And even up until now, when we're still having crashes of vehicles with autopilot. So I think that that was a real a real missed opportunity by the filmmakers to look into that. Roberto Baldwin 52:49 I went to the NTSB final conclusion of the Tesla accident where the gentleman was driving a Model X. And Walter won crash. Yeah, the Walter wrong crash, and it kept it kept, like trying to drag him into this off this, this. This exit lane, it's on the left hand side along the I think it was a 280 or the one on one doesn't just 282 80. And so you know, they went through the whole, you know, proceeding, they told her everything that had happened. And at the end of it NTSB could not be more irritated with NITSA. They spent like, after they did the whole thing, then they spent like a good 20 minutes just saying, We can't do anything about this. We can just tell you what happened. NITSA is doing absolutely nothing. And then they brought up like NITSA tweets, and there's like tweets about Oh, you shouldn't be buying a car like it's not it's his job to to sell cars for people. It's this job to keep you safe on the road. So the NTSB is not happy with NITSA wasn't happy. This is 2020. January? No, I don't know is before I noticed before March 2020. So January, February 2020. went all the way to Washington, DC for this. And it's yeah, it's true. It's this this sort of like, well, I think there was there was this this this reticence to do anything because there was this concern that you were going to be stifling innovation over stifling innovation. And that's not really what's ever happened in any of these things where there's no one stifling innovation, they've allowed these companies to run without regulation. And the result is that we've had all these issues, because everyone was like afraid there were you know, every administration for the last, you know, three or four administrations have been concerned about stifling innovation. And the reality is that there has to be a framework that keeps people safe. And you know, and none of it was was actually or ever has stifled any innovation. Sam Abuelsamid 54:48 Yeah. And in fact, it's it's the exact opposite. You know, when when they started putting safety regulations on cars, that's what led to a ton of innovation. We we've had enormous amount of innovation over the last It's 50 years since they started regulating automotive safety. And, you know, I mean, that's why we have airbags and you know, the kinds of seatbelts we have today and the kinds of crash structures we have today. And Electronic Stability controls and all this other stuff is because of regulation, not, not despite it. So I think that's that's always been a bogus argument, as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, all these people are Roberto Baldwin 55:27 very smart, that are building these systems. And if they're smart enough to build a system, they're smart enough to build them so that they work within a regulatory framework, and they keep people safe. I mean, none of these people are like, Oh, no, we have to I mean, supercruise is geofence. It's not like that's something that's difficult to do. Blue cruisers geofence. It's, it's none of this stuff is I mean, it may be difficult, but these people are smart, or at least they say they're smart. Nicole Wakelin 55:57 They are reportedly smart. Roberto Baldwin 55:59 Reportedly, allegedly. And at least they've told us time and time again, how very smart they are. Sam Abuelsamid 56:07 They keep reminding us keep especially especially those in Silicon Valley, they never let us forget, oh my god. Nicole Wakelin 56:16 Very, very, very smart. Roberto Baldwin 56:18 When I was a tech reporter, everyone told me they were changing the world. And there's nothing quicker, you know, within after like the second I'm like, wait, the last people just told me they would change the way you can all be changed in the world. Nicole Wakelin 56:28 And they would all be doing this who's lying? Roberto Baldwin 56:31 Eventually? Yeah, I ended up not. I did not have a lot of fans in many companies. Sam Abuelsamid 56:42 All right. When you got to Lake Como last week, you got to spend some time at the concorso DeLaGarza. What do you see? Roberto Baldwin 56:55 I saw a lot of cars. Surprise. No, it's, um, it was a very, I've been to Pebble Beach a bunch of times. And that's really the only concourse I've been to. Actually that just really, that is the only concourse I've ever been to is Pebble Beach. It's near my house, sort of, and there's news around it. So I'll go. This one's a lot. I actually prefer it over Pebble Beach because as a more intimate affair, it was a lot smaller. There were fewer vehicles. They're more like 60 Studebakers like okay, I got it you guys bought up a bunch of goddamn they're essentially one of each cool car so yeah, so I went it was it was very nice. It's very exclusive, which is very fancy. Which if you probably listen to the podcast, I am neither of those Sam Abuelsamid 57:50 exclusive there is no one else like you Roberto Baldwin 57:51 Rob I guess there's that but it's I'm also Yeah, I'm not very fancy too. I got really excited because there was a on the way to go look at something. There was a Piaggio Porter, which is a very tiny, like, minivan. It's very, very tiny. And I was like, oh look at also it's a Piaggio. So mostly when in this country when you think Piaggio you think scooters but you can get a little Piaggio minivan and it's delightful. It is delightful little vehicle. But for the most part, ya know there's there's Mercedes or BMW was one of the main sponsors. So there's a lot of BMW is 2000 twos. There was the 700 R S. M. One there was Karl Lagerfeld lager field Lagerfeld, Margaret Sanger Feld Karl Lagerfeld seven series there. He had one specially made it was a little bit stretched and had like a fax machine in it or something someone told me. I kept trying to look in the window. It was all darkened in the back for a fax machine. Instead, I just saw like two or three T players. His car was there. I guess he had it for a little while. Then he gave it back to BMW. There was the couple M ones. There was a Meyer makes, which wasn't in the show. It was just parked like someone had driven it there. So I took a picture of Sam Abuelsamid 59:19 the Aston Martin Bulldog. Roberto Baldwin 59:21 I did see the Aston Martin Bulldog. That thing is cool. They're actually working on making it because it's supposed to have a top speed of 200 miles an hour. And it causes everyone to enter miles an hour. But Sam Abuelsamid 59:33 hell Until recently it barely went at all. Roberto Baldwin 59:37 The person who bought it is apparently they're trying to get it up to 200 miles an hour. And so they're working on trying you know getting going and there's you can go on my Instagram. Str ng wys that's my instagram handle same as Twitter. Because I have a lot of pictures including the Bulldog. I put the Bulldog they finally opened up the back so you can see the engine bay. So I put that in my Instagram stories but I'll put it up. I'll you know, I'll throw it up on the on my main feed so you guys can look at the the engine baits It's very pretty. Yeah, you know there's there's a bunch of there's a Tommaso and you know, an O for CES there's a lot of like really ridiculous crazy cars that you sort of see at this thing, but a lot of really, really nice old. I mean, there's a bunch of SLS, I feel like SLS even though one just sold for like a bazillion dollars 125 million or whatever, like 143 143 There's a lot there's still a lot of SLS in the world because every car thing I go to, hey, there's an SL, hey, there's an SL everyone loves an SL. By the way. I've driven an SL it's, it's fantastic. There's some Ferraris there. One of my most favorite Ferraris is the one that doesn't look like a Ferrari. It just looks like an odd little car, which is the 250 GTs Gato. It's a 56 which is the little blue two seater and over the the driver and the passengers head there's like a little bubble, but in the middle, it's like in the in the roof. I don't know. It's just a fun little weird little car. I like this. I like the 50s era Ferraris a lot because they're just like these little compact like fun machines. Sam Abuelsamid 1:01:22 I like that yellow SL roadster. Yeah, yeah, Roberto Baldwin 1:01:25 that SL roadster is really nothing was bright. Yeah, I think it burned my eyes. Nicole Wakelin 1:01:31 Is it as bright as your blue car? You're actually it's brighter. Roberto Baldwin 1:01:33 It was brighter than the blue card isn't Aston Martin there was a deviate? Yeah, there's I mean, oh, there's this lancea there that I really liked. And it had like both wheels. But the front and the rear wheels have little half covers little half Spats on it. And it was the B Jr. Atlanta is an Italian car company that no one in America probably knows about. Anyway, it was just Sam Abuelsamid 1:01:59 like Lanches here since the 70s. Nicole Wakelin 1:02:04 Yeah, yeah, it's just I didn't even know they ever sold them here. So I just learned something. I knew that they knew they existed. I never knew they were even in the United States. So there you go. Roberto Baldwin 1:02:14 Yeah, no, there's there. You know, they had I actually have the pieces how many cars were there? I don't know a bunch. I guess there's a number but I don't have it. Sam Abuelsamid 1:02:25 I think you're right though. The Piaggio Porter is definitely the winner of the show. Roberto Baldwin 1:02:28 Yeah, see, that's what I think no one has the best. Instead it was like a bit it was like an old something. I'll tell you the winner Hold on. I had it and I forgot it. I think it was yeah, it was Bugatti. The Bugatti a 1937 Bugatti 57 s it was in one of the class A cars. Class A and Class B. I'm always just like they all kind of, they all remind me a Cruella de Vil are like gangster movies or the Nazis. There's like three things that are that comes to mind when I think about Class A and Class B. So I'm always just like, like I saw 101 Dalmatians it was fine. People spend so much money on those vehicles. They're you know, then they, they they're like little piece of their little works of art because they put so much work into him. But I'm, I don't know, for some reason. I think I've seen them so many times at Pebble Beach. And I'm just like, Nicole Wakelin 1:03:25 just not impressed. Roberto Baldwin 1:03:26 I don't know, I guess I don't feel like they get driven very much. I feel like they're very much these are cars, that's that someone sticks into sticks in a room. And they never leave that room outside of going to one of these events. And to me, I mean, that's just it's just sad. Yeah. Which is kind of sad. And I feel like some of these these other vehicles, like, they'll drive I mean, not a lot. But they'll every once in awhile, they'll take them out and drive them and really open them up to all 80 horsepower that they have. Because old cars don't have a lot of power. Sam Abuelsamid 1:03:59 Oh, I just pulled up a photo of this Bugatti. And it's interesting, because it's it's actually not restored. Roberto Baldwin 1:04:08 Oh, yeah. It's it's it looks like someone pushed it down a hill. Sam Abuelsamid 1:04:12 Yeah. It looks it looks like 100 year old car. Roberto Baldwin 1:04:16 It does. It's like it's leathery. I mean, it looks kind of It looks cool, but at the same time, okay. I mean, it's, you know, it's like I bought an old you know, you found a Warhol like that has a little bit of mold on it and stuff. You're like well, there's a couple of scratches maybe the thing you're like oh well but it's like his first Warhol so well. It's still a Warhol so you keep it you put it up and then you just you hide it in a room until you till you show it at the next exit exhibition. Sam Abuelsamid 1:04:49 I like you know old cars like this you know with the patina you know, something about you know, having a, you know, 7080 90 year old car Uh, that you know, looks like it's brand new. just doesn't seem right. Nicole Wakelin 1:05:04 feels wrong it should look like it's it's seen a little bit of something. Yeah. Are Roberto Baldwin 1:05:08 you looking at this? Are you looking at the 59 sports? The tight? No, I'm Sam Abuelsamid 1:05:12 not. I'm looking at the the, the type 57 Ask that one. Roberto Baldwin 1:05:17 Okay, because the type of the nine Sport S or the black one with the yellow stripe down the side. I get to do Nicole Wakelin 1:05:29 so look things up now. Roberto Baldwin 1:05:30 No, that's a different one. Oh, is it the type 57 That's like relatively railcar. It wasn't even the Quellen Sam Abuelsamid 1:05:38 Oh, okay. Yeah, this is this is the one I'm looking at. Let me see. I just dropped it in the chat Yeah, Roberto Baldwin 1:05:47 this was a picture in the thing. Yeah, this is the Yeah. Wait, is this the 187 Wait I'm looking at this book. I was this book wrong. Sam Abuelsamid 1:06:04 Well, there might have been Roberto Baldwin 1:06:07 they put the wrong car up. Sam Abuelsamid 1:06:09 Oh no, it says long with this one. There was a 1930 34 type 59 race car and a 37 type 57 Stelvio. Okay, yeah, so which is the one that you just showed us? Yeah. So I think this this this one that looks like it's all beat up I think is the one that one Roberto Baldwin 1:06:31 I'm looking at my email with the seven s G seven s do some investigating. Nicole Wakelin 1:06:42 Well answer it next show will argue over who actually won. Oh, Roberto Baldwin 1:06:45 I don't think it's there's my book wrong. Oh, this is a 57 C sorry. That's my prob there's my there's my issue. Sorry. I was looking at the 57 See, no wonder I was being I was like, Well, I don't know why this car went at all. Wait, this it says 59 Hmm. Oh, well, anyway, anyway, old car that none of us can afford buy one. An old car that none of us can. It's always the same. It's always Class A and Class B that when as well. That's the other thing. I'm just like me. I voted for the Ferrari to be I'm the only person I think voted for it. I'm like, I don't care. I'm voting for the Ferrari. We got we all got the we got the vote. So that was nice. But I know that I don't know anyone there because I don't know a lot of rich people, unfortunately. But if I did, I would have got them to vote for the Ferrari. Sam Abuelsamid 1:07:38 You know, I I think the one that you just showed us that found another thing here is actually the one that one not not the one that I found. So, Roberto Baldwin 1:07:47 okay. Anyway, anyway, so I think the Dupont Registry messed up is what we're saying. Yes. Sam Abuelsamid 1:07:53 I think you're probably right. Frankly, wouldn't surprise me all. Roberto Baldwin 1:07:57 That's fine. But I used to buy the Dupont Registry all time when I was a kid. And then we would look at the weird cars that were for sale. Because there always be like the old and then there'd be like a Geo Metro with like a VA. Just like saying weird things that people like monster trucks that people had Frankenstein together. Like here's the fear with a V 12. Right. How did you got to sit in another car in order to drive it? Sam Abuelsamid 1:08:24 Okay. Let's answer a few listener questions that have come in in the past hour. We finally got some. Let's start off with Andrew Pappas. How long until we get touchscreens on the steering wheel. real issue. Cars get more and more safety tech, but deaths keep rising. My thought is that cars are too isolating and poor visibility combined with safety tech, being a crutch is the problem. Can the tide be turned at all? Roberto Baldwin 1:08:52 Well, we're looking at our phones too much. And I think some people are looking at the display as well. Too often. Yeah, I mean, people are still i If you ride a motorcycle, you if you drive a car, you're like, Oh, I'm sure lots of people look at the phone. If you ride a motorcycle and you sit a little higher, you're looking down in the cars. Everyone is on their goddamn phones all the time. It's terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying. Sam Abuelsamid 1:09:16 Yeah, I mean, I've I've been driving even here in Michigan, you know, there was one time I was driving down the highway and some guy in a model three. I saw him coming up behind me and stayed over to the right. And as he was going by looked over and he was sitting there looking down at his phone, texting, you know, while he was in autopilot mode wasn't looking at the road wasn't touching the steering wheel and it was terrible. That's fine. And that's the Roberto Baldwin 1:09:43 craziest part because like, well, I'll hide it by putting it down and then looking down we all know you're on your phone. Nicole Wakelin 1:09:49 It makes it even worse like you're holding it down so COC can't see you What did they think you're like staring at your crotch doing like what like Sam Abuelsamid 1:09:56 I was. I was I was over a tie. magnetics last Friday, for a demo of their latest driver monitor system. They're along with several other suppliers. They're also working with seeing machines, a company that supplies the the techniques used by GM and supercruise. And what they've done, what Magna has done is they've integrated it into the rear view mirror. So it's actually a higher resolution version of the infrared camera that scene machines has developed and updated version of the software. So it not only looking at eye gaze, and head pose, but it's also looking at the drivers mouth. So, for example, it can recognize, for example, if the driver is yawning. Oh, wow, gone, it'll recognize that and can give you an alert saying, hey, you know, maybe it's time to take a take a break. You know, and, you know, of course, it'll also recognize if you're looking down at a phone, or, you know, looking off at one of the passengers or something else if you're not watching the road, you know, give you those kinds of alerts. So, you know, we're going to see more and more capable driver monitor systems coming to market, but to part of Andrews question about touchscreens in the steering wheel. Did either of you to ever see the interior of the Buyten? Mbyte. Yes, Roberto Baldwin 1:11:16 yes. Yes, that was a bad idea. Unknown Speaker 1:11:19 There's bad Betty bad bad. Sam Abuelsamid 1:11:22 It had a touchscreen in the steering wheel. Yeah, Roberto Baldwin 1:11:24 I remember. I asked him about about airbags. And they're like, oh, we have it set up so like, Sam Abuelsamid 1:11:31 yeah, a lot I actually down or something. Yeah, I actually went for a ride before they shut down their, their office in San Jose. I visited them a few years back and what for riding the prototype and, and spent some time in the studio with their interior designer. Yeah, they're ahead of user experience design, in their interior Buck going, going through all that stuff. And the way they had it set up is where you typically have the airbag module. The the steering wheel, the steering wheel spokes actually angled back and attached to the steering column behind this module behind the airbag module. So that what you actually had is the top half of it was a touchscreen, and then the bottom half was the airbag. And it didn't rotate. So when you turn the steering wheel, that part stayed where it was. And the reason why they they had it that way is because it also had this big, massive pillar to pillar screen, you know? 49 Oh, yeah, that giant that it was that was set back away from you. So you couldn't you couldn't actually reach it to touch it. So the the touchscreen in the steering wheel was actually the interface the control interface to control stuff on that screen. It was which is interesting concept. Roberto Baldwin 1:12:49 It's super awkward because you know that this you know, it's it's because you're you're you're pulling your arm in, and then moving it over. So now you look like a T Rex. And your Sam Abuelsamid 1:12:59 brother was also a couple. It was also a couple of knobs on sort of scroll with your thumbs and stuff like that. Yeah, Roberto Baldwin 1:13:07 it was I remember just being sort of odd. And then I think I don't think it was an improvement over the I mean, the the straight arm trying to use the payment system which isn't still isn't that great because especially when you have a super complex for no damn reason, infotainment system. And they don't have anywhere to put your hand when you start bouncing around. Again, there's a lot of things you don't have to put in the infotainment system people like controls. Sam Abuelsamid 1:13:35 Well, unfortunately, we won't have to worry about that one coming to market likely anytime in the foreseeable future because Mbytes been struggling to survive and I don't think they'll ever get to production. Nicole Wakelin 1:13:46 Yeah, sadly. Or Sam Abuelsamid 1:13:51 it was the was the model. Yeah. All right. It's too late light asks Jim's groundup strategy with the Silverado Evie versus Ford's Hackett chassis F 150. Lightning. GMC, if any. We know the time to market isn't one. That question kind of wow. This person doesn't think what Ford has done is good. Roberto Baldwin 1:14:16 Hacker. I liked that term, though. Sam Abuelsamid 1:14:19 What was it again, hacker chassis. Nicole Wakelin 1:14:22 Once upon a time, there were hackathons. Now we're gonna have Okay, build the next TV let's package chassis, Roberto Baldwin 1:14:27 chassis. I mean, it's I think it's regardless of the platform. I mean, Ford's just sort of body on frame. It's a hacker chassis, which, by the way, I've never gonna stop using it all the time. I mean, when you look at the what they're offering, I mean, the Ford offering is just seem it's a it's already in market. And B It feels more like what truck owners want, especially the the commercial owners and the Yeah, the commercial owners Is it down to like the person who buys a truck for his one or two person contractor landscaping landscaping company? Or is it Silverado is like hey, it's all new and weird. So all the things you bought for the Silverado, they're not gonna fit in this truck. Yeah. Womp womp Yeah, it's an avalanche. It's just an avalanche. Sam Abuelsamid 1:15:21 Don't let GM hear you say that. Nicole Wakelin 1:15:24 You're in trouble now. Oh, Roberto Baldwin 1:15:25 I'm sure it'll be fine when it comes out. But it still looks like an avalanche. Sam Abuelsamid 1:15:29 Yeah, I mean, the problem is, it's going to be another year before it arrives. Yeah, which f 150s are going to customers now. So. All right. Adam asks, besides a financial crisis, what would cause Sam to sell the Miata? Roberto Baldwin 1:15:44 Yeah. I don't. Nothing. Oh, Sam Abuelsamid 1:15:47 only if somebody offered me one of similar vintage with similar low miles in Mariner blue. You know, I would do a straight up trade for American or blue one. But that's about it. Roberto Baldwin 1:16:00 So it's not even it's okay. So you just want to Nicole Wakelin 1:16:04 I feel like I'm gonna rephrase his question. What is to just sell it period? The end you're not replacing it with a better color? Yeah, you're not you're not gonna sell the you have to sell it and say goodbye to me out Sam Abuelsamid 1:16:14 of forever. Nope. Not gonna happen. Okay. Yeah. Nicole Wakelin 1:16:17 That is, that's the really Roberto Baldwin 1:16:21 the street family has disavowed his his even even his existence. But Sam Abuelsamid 1:16:28 the house there's enough room for me and my wife and the Nicole Wakelin 1:16:35 is your wife aware of your retirement plan? I just think she should know. Vaguely. Roberto Baldwin 1:16:43 I don't think there's I don't think there's like a lot of Miatas in the world. So it's not like it's ever going to be worth like 1.91 point 46 $146 million, or whatever. That yeah, one four. So it's not going to be that? Sam Abuelsamid 1:16:55 No, no, definitely not. Yeah. John W. Halkias asks any insight to these random testifiers? None that I'm aware of? I don't I don't know what's going on. Roberto Baldwin 1:17:07 I mean, to be fair, all cars catch on fire. Sam Abuelsamid 1:17:09 Yeah, I mean, there's about 200,000 car fires a year. Yeah, us. So Roberto Baldwin 1:17:14 cars, gas cars, electric cars, hydrogen cars. NPG bus that had the crazy like flames shooting out of it? Yeah, all vehicles CNG. One CNG. That's the one not mpg. It's like MPG bus. G that CNG bus the from I don't know somewhere that was on fire and flames shooting out yet. All vehicles have the potential to catch on fire and this are water based. And I guess a bicycle. That's it. Sam Abuelsamid 1:17:45 Yeah. So no, we don't have any insights onto these latest Tesla fires. Although I have seen a couple of different ones posted on Twitter in the last couple of days. I have no idea what's going on. Paul Kavanaugh, final question. Why do automotive journalists use the term tank turn for what tankers refer to as a neutral steer? Turn? Come on, folks. Language matters. Roberto Baldwin 1:18:11 Because hey, go neutral neutral. What? Yeah, I've never heard that thing also tank tank. We all know it from video games. Playing 10 games. Nicole Wakelin 1:18:21 We want to use words that most people understand and take turn makes sense to a heck of a lot more people than whatever it was you just said which I did. Last year turn neutral stirred that's a SAM term. I love you Sam. That's an engineering kind of like really specific like, there's a really easy way to say that tank turn or a neutral steer. Sam Abuelsamid 1:18:40 Tank turn 99% of people are going to know exactly what you're talking about. Roberto Baldwin 1:18:44 Yeah, neutral steer turn is I mean they both mean the exact same thing. Yeah, that's the fun thing. If one Nicole Wakelin 1:18:51 word to say what you need to say is normally the best word it's like Roberto Baldwin 1:18:54 autopilot like the right most people assume that autopilot the how we've created how we how the word autopilot has evolved is that we all believe that autopilot means something runs automatically. This person was ran on autopilot. Which is why Tesla gets in trouble for autopilot. The reality is like in on an airplane autopilot isn't really autopilot. It's like something else. It's basically cruise control. Yeah, the cruise control. But because we it's this is what the word means. That's what the word means. It's like taking term. Sam Abuelsamid 1:19:27 Yeah, on autopilot and an aircraft basically just maintains your speed and direction. Yeah, you know until you change this change some settings. And so it's essentially just cruise control. It's it's not really, you know, autonomous flying. Roberto Baldwin 1:19:42 Yeah. But we as a society, we've come to use autopilot as something that's running on its own, which this thing was on this person was on autopilot just doing their job, which means they were doing it without thinking it was just automatic. So yeah. Sam Abuelsamid 1:19:58 All right. That's For this week pain turn. Thank turns. Roberto Baldwin 1:20:04 Take turns. And wait wait, wait, wait, wait. Hakka, Hakka Hakka chassis Nicole Wakelin 1:20:09 hacky chassis and tank turns that's episode Sam Abuelsamid 1:20:12 50 hacking chassis lightning, Roberto Baldwin 1:20:13 chassis lightning I remember my eat my content you visa hacker chassis. Sam Abuelsamid 1:20:20 Yeah, I've mentioned that to Derek Palmer next time I talk to him a good laugh out of it. Roberto Baldwin 1:20:26 What's going on with your hacker chassis. Alright, thanks, everybody. Unknown Speaker 1:20:31 Bye everyone. Bye